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Islam, yet they refer to their God as the merciful. Perhaps the real meaning is lost in translation.
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11-01-2017, 12:38 AM
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Islam, yet they refer to their God as the merciful. Perhaps the real meaning is lost in translation.
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Religious fanatics of any stripe are a pain in the ass for everyone else.
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11-01-2017, 07:37 AM
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Now, we know who is to blame for the NYC attack, courtesy of Trump, Hannity and Seb Gorka - Sen. Chuck Schumer.
President Trump and some of his allies on the extreme right have found a new culprit in Tuesday’s deadly terrorist attack in Manhattan: Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.).
As details emerged about the incident, prominent right-wing commentators and news outlets seized on an ABC7 story reporting that alleged attacker Sayfullo Saipov had come to the United States from Uzbekistan under a State Department program known as the Diversity Visa Lottery...
Blaming terrorism and violent crime on the nation’s immigration laws is standard conservative fare. It’s how Trump has justified his travel ban...
Schumer did play a key role in drawing up the program in 1990. His proposals eventually became part of a broader immigration package that was passed by Congress in a bipartisan vote and signed into law by a Republican president.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...chuck-schumer/
After the Las Vegas tragedy, it was too early to talk about sensible gun control. However, on the morning after the NYC tragedy, it's not too early to falsely and cynically blame the Senator from NY for a tragedy in his own hometown. MAGA, indeed.
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11-01-2017, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Now, we know who is to blame for the NYC attack, courtesy of Trump, Hannity and Seb Gorka - Sen. Chuck Schumer.
President Trump and some of his allies on the extreme right have found a new culprit in Tuesday’s deadly terrorist attack in Manhattan: Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.).
As details emerged about the incident, prominent right-wing commentators and news outlets seized on an ABC7 story reporting that alleged attacker Sayfullo Saipov had come to the United States from Uzbekistan under a State Department program known as the Diversity Visa Lottery...
Blaming terrorism and violent crime on the nation’s immigration laws is standard conservative fare. It’s how Trump has justified his travel ban...
Schumer did play a key role in drawing up the program in 1990. His proposals eventually became part of a broader immigration package that was passed by Congress in a bipartisan vote and signed into law by a Republican president.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...chuck-schumer/
After the Las Vegas tragedy, it was too early to talk about sensible gun control. However, on the morning after the NYC tragedy, it's not too early to falsely and cynically blame the Senator from NY for a tragedy in his own hometown. MAGA, indeed.
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Demonizing the NRA was the right thing to do immediately after the Vegas shooting. However, correctly identifying Schumer is complicit in proposing the "diversity immigration program" that allowed the NYC terrorist into the US is bad because to "falsely and cynically blame the Senator from NY for a tragedy in his own hometown."
Uh huh.
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11-01-2017, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
Demonizing the NRA was the right thing to do immediately after the Vegas shooting. However, correctly identifying Schumer is complicit in proposing the "diversity immigration program" that allowed the NYC terrorist into the US is bad because to "falsely and cynically blame the Senator from NY for a tragedy in his own hometown."
Uh huh.
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That law was bipartisan and signed into law by George H. W. Bush nearly 30 years ago. Concerns with the program were addressed in 2008 by the bipartisan immigration reform effort of the "Gang of Eight," approved overwhelmingly by the Senate, and then shot down by the House after the far right went ballistic. So, it was signed into law by a Republican and tweaks to improve it were shot down by Republicans and it's Schumer's fault? Only in your (and Trump's) fevered mind. Leave it to someone like you (who has sold his soul to Trumpism) to defend Trump's cynical, tasteless behavior after this tragedy. You (and your Dear Leader) disgust me.
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11-01-2017, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
That law was bipartisan and signed into law by George H. W. Bush nearly 30 years ago. Concerns with the program were addressed in 2008 by the bipartisan immigration reform effort of the "Gang of Eight," approved overwhelmingly by the Senate, and then shot down by the House after the far right went ballistic. So, it was signed into law by a Republican and tweaks to improve it were shot down by Republicans and it's Schumer's fault? Only in your (and Trump's) fevered mind. Leave it to someone like you (who has sold his soul to Trumpism) to defend Trump's cynical, tasteless behavior after this tragedy. You (and your Dear Leader) disgust me.
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Not "defending" anything.
What I am doing is wondering how you justify criticizing asking legit questions about a program that allowed NYC terrorist into the country, while excusing those who reflexively criticized the NRA after the Vegas shooting. Maybe its because you were one of those criticizing the NRA the day after the shootings?
http://www.politicalchat.org/showpos...45&postcount=5
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11-01-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Not "defending" anything.
What I am doing is wondering how you justify criticizing asking legit questions about a program that allowed NYC terrorist into the country, while excusing those who reflexively criticized the NRA after the Vegas shooting. Maybe its because you were one of those criticizing the NRA the day after the shootings?
http://www.politicalchat.org/showpos...45&postcount=5
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Easy access to assault weapons and the means to make them fully automatic weapons was the proximate cause of the massive slaughter in Vegas, after which Republicans uniformly agreed that it was inappropriate to even discuss changes to gun laws. Finally, Republicans acquiesced to the idea of regulating bump stocks (as opposed to voting on it in Congress), but a month later, regulation of bump stocks has gone nowhere, nor is Trump railing to speed up their regulation.
Apparently, Trump tweeted his response to the NYC event before actually knowing the details of the murderer's immigration, based upon watching Fox & Friends and before receiving a briefing from his national security team. To the extent that the Diversity Lottery was involved (not yet determined), it was not the proximate cause of this event. Moreover, it was signed into law in 2000 by a Republican President and fixes to it were blocked by Republicans in 2013. So what does your Dear Leader do? Blame it on Chuck Schumer (who Trump himself contributed generously to back in those days) and demand immediate repeal of the Diversity Lottery (while ignoring delays in bump stock regulation).
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11-01-2017, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
That law was bipartisan and signed into law by George H. W. Bush nearly 30 years ago. Concerns with the program were addressed in 2008 by the bipartisan immigration reform effort of the "Gang of Eight," approved overwhelmingly by the Senate, and then shot down by the House after the far right went ballistic. So, it was signed into law by a Republican and tweaks to improve it were shot down by Republicans and it's Schumer's fault? Only in your (and Trump's) fevered mind. Leave it to someone like you (who has sold his soul to Trumpism) to defend Trump's cynical, tasteless behavior after this tragedy. You (and your Dear Leader) disgust me.
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A Trumpet would perceive these Republicans as part of the problem with America. Trump won the Republican primary running against these people.
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11-01-2017, 12:24 PM
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A Trumpet would perceive these Republicans as part of the problem with America. Trump won the Republican primary running against these people.
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Then why did Trump choose to criticize the Senator representing the victimized city?
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11-01-2017, 02:17 PM
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A Trumpet would perceive these Republicans as part of the problem with America. Trump won the Republican primary running against these people.
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Especially the Bush crew.
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