Political Forums  

Go Back   Political Forums > Politicalchat.org discussion boards > Politics and the Environment
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 09-16-2014, 09:16 AM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 7,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion View Post
My main issue with Frackers:

Why exemptions from CLEAN DRINKING WATER ACT?
Cheap energy for all is more important than clean drinking water for some living in and around the fracking fields.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-16-2014, 09:20 AM
djv8ga djv8ga is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: The Open Border
Posts: 5,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by piece-itpete View Post
I heard a discussion of this on NPR. The takeaway was it's not the actual fracking but leaking issues with the wells, something that can be fixed.

Pete
Sure. When you case a well through bed rock, it must be grouted to the rock. Lots of water wells are not cased correctly and can leak.

The thing that I can't figure out is where the methane is coming from & what is producing it. You would expect to find it near the service, not deep in the rock, gravel, or sand aquifer. Maybe there was something growing in an aquifer that has dried up & is now decaying(?) Maybe an illegally drilled well that has some issue? Even if anything like this the cause, the small amount of gas would be vented out very quickly IMO. I'm sure that all the old/dry wells on record were checked to make sure they weren't leaking septic waste or something into a deep & dry aquifer.
I don't buy the "fingerprint" crap either.
Pretty weird.

Last edited by djv8ga; 09-16-2014 at 10:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-16-2014, 09:29 AM
Dondilion's Avatar
Dondilion Dondilion is offline
Jigsawed
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
Cheap energy for all is more important than clean drinking water for some living in and around the fracking fields.
An eye opener.

However We in New York do not believe in only nearness to fields.

Our water comes from far, so we put our Governor under pressure.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-16-2014, 09:37 AM
djv8ga djv8ga is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: The Open Border
Posts: 5,126
I wouldn't want fracking around my property. I trust the technology to be safe if done right, but I don't trust people to do anything right anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-16-2014, 09:45 AM
piece-itpete's Avatar
piece-itpete piece-itpete is offline
Possibly admin. Maybe ;)
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Land of the burning river
Posts: 21,098
Sorry - they said the gas wells were leaking, and gas wells are known and so fixing them is ok, that it's not the actual fracking. Fracking itself is not causing the water contamination.

Pete
__________________
“How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.”
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-16-2014, 10:16 AM
djv8ga djv8ga is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: The Open Border
Posts: 5,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by piece-itpete View Post
Sorry - they said the gas wells were leaking, and gas wells are known and so fixing them is ok, that it's not the actual fracking. Fracking itself is not causing the water contamination.

Pete
The grouting process is probably the same. I wonder how deep the affected water wells are?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-16-2014, 10:18 AM
djv8ga djv8ga is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: The Open Border
Posts: 5,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
Cheap energy for all is more important than clean drinking water for some living in and around the fracking fields.
Tongue in cheek?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-16-2014, 02:16 PM
Dondilion's Avatar
Dondilion Dondilion is offline
Jigsawed
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by piece-itpete View Post
Sorry - they said the gas wells were leaking, and gas wells are known and so fixing them is ok, that it's not the actual fracking. Fracking itself is not causing the water contamination.

Pete
So why not tell us what chemicals you are injecting in the underground; so the
EPA can do a proper appraisal.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-16-2014, 02:47 PM
Rajoo's Avatar
Rajoo Rajoo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Sierras
Posts: 14,206
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lic_fracturing

Way too many and not all used at the same time. Possibly the contamination is not directly from the fracking process but from waste water leakage from fracking sites leaching into water table.
__________________
White Christian Nationalism:
Freedom for us, order for everyone else, and violence for those who transgress.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-16-2014, 02:48 PM
Pio1980's Avatar
Pio1980 Pio1980 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NE Bamastan
Posts: 11,060
Quote:
Originally Posted by djv8ga View Post
I wouldn't want fracking around my property. I trust the technology to be safe if done right, but I don't trust people to do anything right anymore.
Me neither, and zero trust in them for full disclosure. My well water has spoiled me for most municipal tap water.

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
__________________
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:04 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.