Let's compare today with yesterday...

[simi]

Vietnam War... Who exactly is the enemy and what will it take to "win"? -----> Iraq and Afghanistan. Ask a vet that just came back who the enemy was.

Stock Market Crash... Lack of Glass Steagall act ------> Wall Street today... Glass Steagall repealed in 99 was a direct cause of what we have today.

High Unemployment during the Great Depression ------> Same thing today.

Employers gaming the system with shaky pay and things such as Script -----> Same thing today.. hire part time workers to avoid paying bennies or a real wage.

Vets not being paid or can't get medical. ------> Nothing changed there either... At least back then they had Smedley Butler to speak up for them that got some strings pulled.

Prohibition ------> Prohibition on weed... no lessons learned there..

Add what you can think of... I know it's a long list.. History seems to be in a serious re-run right now.. and it's sad the politicians won't look back to see today how they could fix a lot of this.

[finnbow]

There's nothing new in Washington and there never has been. All ideas are recycled.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by finnbow

There's nothing new in Washington and there never has been. All ideas are recycled.

Some furriners spoke to the issue pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIHJ9RMAVGI

Regards,

D-Ray

[bhunter]

Those extremists must be controlled. They espouse such hateful and dangerous speech. I've seen this before and it was ugly to paraphrase the wicked witch of the West. I wonder if this applies to these Occupiers?

I have yet to see any rational actions or positions taken by the Occupiers that would change my opinion. What is their proposed solutions other than their wanton meanderings about capitalism being evil? This, in spite of the fact, that capitalism has given them the very luxuries that allows them to protest, rather than, scratching out a brutish existence.



Here's some recent numbers:

Most Americans still aren’t following news of the Occupy Wall Street protests very closely and have mixed opinions of both the protesters and their authenticity.

Thirty-six percent (36%) of the nation’s Likely Voters have a favorable opinion of the Occupy Wall Street protesters while 41% offer an unfavorable opinion. Last week, a survey of Adults found a slight plurality offering a favorable opinion. Because the new survey was of Likely Voters and the prior one was of adults, the results are not precisely comparable. Additional tracking will measure whatever trends might emerge.

cf. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...41_unfavorable

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Those extremists must be controlled. They espouse such hateful and dangerous speech. I've seen this before and it was ugly to paraphrase the wicked witch of the West. I wonder if this applies to these Occupiers?

I have yet to see any rational actions or positions taken by the Occupiers that would change my opinion. What is their proposed solutions other than their wanton meanderings about capitalism being evil? This, in spite of the fact, that capitalism has given them the very luxuries that allows them to protest, rather than, scratching out a brutish existence.



Here's some recent numbers:


cf. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...41_unfavorable

Are you making the initial statement in your post facetiously, or are you actually serious about it. If you are making fun of someone, it might help to provide a little more context. As it stands now, it is nothing more than "wanton meanderings."

Regards,

D-Ray

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by simi

Vietnam War... Who exactly is the enemy and what will it take to "win"? -----> Iraq and Afghanistan. Ask a vet that just came back who the enemy was.

Stock Market Crash... Lack of Glass Steagall act ------> Wall Street today... Glass Steagall repealed in 99 was a direct cause of what we have today.

High Unemployment during the Great Depression ------> Same thing today.

Employers gaming the system with shaky pay and things such as Script -----> Same thing today.. hire part time workers to avoid paying bennies or a real wage.

Vets not being paid or can't get medical. ------> Nothing changed there either... At least back then they had Smedley Butler to speak up for them that got some strings pulled.

Prohibition ------> Prohibition on weed... no lessons learned there..

Add what you can think of... I know it's a long list.. History seems to be in a serious re-run right now.. and it's sad the politicians won't look back to see today how they could fix a lot of this.

Except people back in the depression had to scratch out a living by hard labor for their family's welfare. They lacked most of the luxuries, including time, that the OWS appear to have. It is a question of absolute versus relative wealth. I'd like the OWS people to trade places with some Sub-Saharan Africans so they could understand the difference. The OWS people are still better off than most anyone during any period in history. Guess what did that? It sure the hell wasn't fanciful socialist ideology.

Just because someone else is wealthier doesn't mean that you've suffered a harm commensurate with the wealth differential. The illusory tenet of left wing ideology is based on that absolutist perspective on wealth. As such, it explains both the homogeneity of protest movements over time and the concomitant class warfare rhetoric that exists in such movements. There is indeed a reason that the OWS group looks similar and promotes issues similar to the anti-free traders.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Except people back in the depression had to scratch out a living by hard labor for their family's welfare. They lacked most of the luxuries, including time, that the OWS appear to have. It is a question of absolute versus relative wealth. I'd like the OWS people to trade places with some Sub-Saharan Africans so they could understand the difference. The OWS people are still better off than most anyone during any period in history. Guess what did that? It sure the hell wasn't fanciful socialist ideology.

Just because someone else is wealthier doesn't mean that you've suffered a harm commensurate with the wealth differential. The illusory tenet of left wing ideology is based on that absolutist perspective on wealth. As such, it explains both the homogeneity of protest movements over time and the concomitant class warfare rhetoric that exists in such movements. There is indeed a reason that the OWS group looks similar and promotes issues similar to the anti-free traders.

I don't think you ever answered the question about whether you would trade places with anyone in the bottom 50% who allegedly don't pay taxes.

Regards,

D-Ray

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Are you making the initial statement in your post facetiously, or are you actually serious about it. If you are making fun of someone, it might help to provide a little more context. As it stands now, it is nothing more than "wanton meanderings."

Regards,

D-Ray

You don't remember Pelosi on the Tea Party?

[simi]

You need to take a walk down and meet and talk to some of the people at OWS bhunter.. .I think you will find that many there don't have jobs now, but did for a long time and could afford to have nice things, and are slowly selling them off...

Take a look around AudioKarma and see how many there are selling off their stuff... and those are the kinds of people that are showing up at OWS.

Yes, there are "haves" at the protests too, but they know they are just one paycheck away from being broke and homeless too. They are like me, with a good job and shitty dental insurance and can't afford to get their teeth fixed after paying a hell of a premium for a couple dollars in dental care. For some reason the health insurance industry doesn't seem to believe your teeth are a part of your body but take your money anyway.

We ALL need changes in this broke and corrupt system.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I don't think you ever answered the question about whether you would trade places with anyone in the bottom 50% who allegedly don't pay taxes.

Regards,

D-Ray

I've been there before and crawled my way back out. Of course, I really do not want to do it again. I've known lots of folks that have done it. Look at all the foreigners that have done it. I can't understand why a sub-population fails to extricate themselves from poverty. BTW, all those foreign folks love our system precisely because they have class mobility here that they lacked under other systems.