The term "Native American" is wrong and dishonest

Reason10 · #1 02-12-2021, 09:17 AM

Let me count the ways:

1. The many Indian tribes emigrated from Asia. They were not "native" to this land.

2. At the time the settlers colonized this place, it was known only as the New World. The term "America" comes from an Italian sea explorer "Amerigo Vespucci." The United States did not even exist at the time. So it is idiotic to refer to either Indians or Americans as all immigrants. Colonists and Indians came here before immigration law was written.

3. It is okay to call them Indians. In fact, they prefer it. The myth of Columbus allegedly seeking India is just that, a myth. At the time of Columbus's journey, the country known today as India was called Hindustan. The term Indian actually comes from Columbus's inability to speak good Spanish at the time he landed in what would now be called the West Indies. He referred to these people as "Una Gente in Dios." A people in God. In Dios. Indians.

4. When you consider what America did to the Indians, (kill 20 or so million of them, destroy five hundred separate cultures, herd the survivors onto the worst land we can find) why in the name of Zeus's BUTTHOLE would they want to name themselves after the country that did this? "Native Americans."

donquixote99 · #2 02-12-2021, 10:12 AM

What is racist and dishonest is you trying to tell another collective what to call themselves. There's not much in a name, actually, but there's a lot in who gets to pin a label on who. You have no standing to bitch here. They are under no obligation to make their name conform to your squirrely logic.

Reason10 · #3 02-13-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

What is racist and dishonest is you trying to tell another collective what to call themselves. There's not much in a name, actually, but there's a lot in who gets to pin a label on who. You have no standing to bitch here. They are under no obligation to make their name conform to your squirrely logic.

Very simply, pretty much they claim to be is a lie. That's the dishonest part. Native Americans? That's a lie. Lying is a form of dishonesty.

By trying to move beyond what they are is racist. They are not a separate race from other Americans. They may be a separate culture, but not a separate race. As far as having standing to bitch here, you need to look up the term "bitch," at least the colloquial form which I'm assuming you're using. I'm discussing an issue, not necessarily complaining about it.

As far as standing goes, the FIRST AMENDMENT pretty much settled the argument a couple of centuries ago.

And someone who hates the Republican party with such a passion really has no room to talk, when it comes to squirrely logic. The Republican Party freed the black slaves, get them and women the right to vote, and gave America the greatest economies in history.

Just remember, Jim Crow is YOUR side of the aisle, not mine.

donquixote99 · #4 02-13-2021, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reason10

Very simply, pretty much they claim to be is a lie. That's the dishonest part. Native Americans? That's a lie. Lying is a form of dishonesty.

By trying to move beyond what they are is racist. They are not a separate race from other Americans. They may be a separate culture, but not a separate race. As far as having standing to bitch here, you need to look up the term "bitch," at least the colloquial form which I'm assuming you're using. I'm discussing an issue, not necessarily complaining about it.

As far as standing goes, the FIRST AMENDMENT pretty much settled the argument a couple of centuries ago.

And someone who hates the Republican party with such a passion really has no room to talk, when it comes to squirrely logic. The Republican Party freed the black slaves, get them and women the right to vote, and gave America the greatest economies in history.

Just remember, Jim Crow is YOUR side of the aisle, not mine.

'Native' is a comparative term, and so no lie. By the standard you advance no one is native to anyplace except maybe some small range in Africa a million years ago.

The first Amendment settled that you can say any silly thing you like without government retribution. It says nothing about how others should judge it's appropriateness. I remain of the opinion I expressed.

You are just engaging in passive aggressive racism, attacking a minority group in what you think is a deniable way.

Irrational partisan mudslinging ignored.

Reason10 · #5 02-13-2021, 12:30 PM

'Native' is a comparative term, and so no lie. By the standard you advance no one is native to anyplace except maybe some small range in Africa a million years ago.

I'm not here to play idiotic word games. I have the FACTS. There is no such thing as a Native American. When those tribes came here, America did not exist. If they had formed the United States of America, complete with Constitution and government, and the European settlers came over and conquered the land and took everything, you would be able to call them Indians.

I've already explained the etymology of the word Indian, and how it is not related to some fictional lie about Columbus seeking India, when he was seeking Hindustan. You need to pay attention in class.

The first Amendment settled that you can say any silly thing you like without government retribution. It says nothing about how others should judge it's appropriateness. I remain of the opinion I expressed.

I just found it telling that you would refer to someone with different views as a TROLL. In other words, anyone who you don't agree with is here to start trouble. In other words, I give facts and you respond with an insult, without even attempting to debate the material or learn more about it.

You are just engaging in passive aggressive racism, attacking a minority group in what you think is a deniable way.

(Hangs head, after reading typical ignorant WOKE comebacks. Something you don't like, call it racist.)

What race? Negroid? Caucasian? Mongolian? What race are American Indians?

I have some Lumbee friends up in North Carolina who would punch your teeth out if you tried to lump them with the vicious and cannibal Tequesta tribes in Florida. Are you now saying ALL these diverse tribes (Iroquois, Apache, Arapaho, Cayuga, Caloosa, Seminole, Shawnee, Shoshone, Hopi, Klamath, Navajo, Paiute, etc) are the same RACE? Do you KNOW anything about these and the other THOUSANDS of Indian tribes in the United States to lump them all into one category? And yet, you get pissy when I call them what they were originally called by Columbus, and what they prefer to be called:INDIAN.

Perhaps you can 'splain why there is STILL a Bureau of Indian Affairs. We've gone through many Democrat Congresses and Presidents (and have the wars and damaged economies to show for it) and there is no Bureau Of Native American affairs. Can you 'splain that?

You need more education and less namecalling. You need to get rid of labels and actually learn about some people.

I'm not a troll. Apparently, I'm a TEACHER, here.
What's the difference in what I'm saying and what you're saying? You're lumping them all into one mass yourself. Who is the racist here? You're doing the same thing.

donquixote99 · #6 02-13-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reason10

I'm not here to play idiotic word games.

And you start and proceed to argue over a word. The term 'etymology' is even used. What you aren't here to do is argue with any intellectual honesty, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Reason10

I just found it telling that you would refer to someone with different views as a TROLL. In other words, anyone who you don't agree with is here to start trouble.

Dishonest again. I never used the word 'troll' in a post referring to you.

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Originally Posted by Reason10

(Hangs head, after reading typical ignorant WOKE comebacks. Something you don't like, call it racist.)

Why do you care so much, then, about what word is used to refer to the indigenous people of America, collectively? Your rhetorical purpose is to invalidate the entire politics of the quest for racial justice. It's an inherently racist project.