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[finnbow]

Originally Posted by hatrack71

Facts please- site them from a credible source. Are you basing crimes on the number of people we have incarcerated? Because we have the highest number of prison population too. Many for victimless crimes unrelated to guns. The war on drugs comes to mind here.

Look at us compared to all the other First World industrialed democracies (western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand). We have gun ownership rates at least 3 times higher than any other modern industrialized democracy, yet far higher murder rates (about 3 times, coincidentally (or not)).

[BlueStreak]

Okay, so we rate 10th, behind such wonderful places as crime ridden South America and Africa. Point is, virtually every country with a better record has tighter gun controls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

This SHOULD be a point of national shame. But, we have a powerful lobby of assholes who crow about it as if it's a patriotic badge of honor to have such shitty statistics.

Now, do you understand why I hate them?

My guess is "no". You're still going to argue and rant.

Regards,
Dave

[hatrack71]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Look at us compared to all the other First World industrialed democracies (western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand).

If this example is even genuine, your statement is way off.

[BlueStreak]

See.

Regards,
Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by hatrack71

If this example is even genuine, your statement is way off.

Look at the 3rd graphic I posted. Comparable industrialized democracies (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Germany, France ....) have gun ownership rates 3 times less than ours and murder rates also about 3 times less than ours. Admittedly, this doesn't prove a causal relationship, but it is food for thought should you wish to think.

[hatrack71]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Okay, so we rate 10th, behind such wonderful places as crime ridden South America and Africa. Point is, virtually every country with a better record has tighter gun controls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

This SHOULD be a point of national shame. But, we have a powerful lobby of assholes who crow about it as if it's a patriotic badge of honor to have such shitty statistics.

Now, do you understand why I hate them?

My guess is "no". You're still going to argue and rant.

Regards,
Dave

10th? I demand a recount. Try again.

[piece-itpete]

Slightly over the mean even though we own a LOT more. That should be a source of national pride.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

By all means, go on believing the NRAs lies.

You know, I wouldn't care except you fools are dragging the rest of us down with you.

Regards,
Dave

[hatrack71]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Look at the 3rd graphic I posted. Comparable industrialized democracies (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Germany, France ....) have gun ownership rates 3 times less than ours and murder rates also about 3 times less than ours. Admittedly, this doesn't prove a causal relationship, but it is food for thought should you wish to think.

No, don't get me wrong. I appreciate you posting that.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Slightly over the mean even though we own a LOT more. That should be a source of national pride.

Pete

Comparing apples to apples (i.e., comparing First World industrialized democracies, our murder rates are at least 3 times as high (about the same difference in gun ownership, BTW).