From OWS to O anything.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by electronjohn

First...my bona fides: I'm so liberal I make Barry Obama look like Barry Goldwater. There.

Regarding communism: Other than North Korea, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Cuba...communism is dead. Buried. A footnote to history. Typical rightwing tactic to immediately brand anyone they disagree with as a "communist" or "socialist" or "Marxist". The majority of people flinging these pejoratives around wouldn't know a Marxist, socialist or communist if one rose up and bit them in the ass. But, it's convenient "code" to marginalize the opposition and play directly to the unfounded fears of the less-knowledgeable. Karl Rove LOVES that kind of thing. Same for Newt. And, Mitt isn't far behind. "Organizing" has nearly become some sort of obscenity...never mind that organizing is exactly what the teabaggers did.

OWS is/was a direct expression of the frustration that average Americans feel when confronted by the corporatcy/oligarchy that has insinuated its tentacles throughout our nation. No one wanted a handout...just a fair shake. College grads find that, after graduation, what they worked hard for four or more years to obtain is now essentially worthless. But...they are still saddled with onerous debt incurred to gain their now-worthless degree. They don't want their loans wiped out...just a more equitable repayment arrangement. Most participants in OWS and similar protests are plain sick & tired of corporations like Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Pharma and all the rest essentially calling the shots for our government and would like them to just butt out. It's too bad OWS isn't better organized...the population would take them more seriously and maybe, maybe start to examine where they themselves fit in to the greater scheme of things.

Hopefully, OWS will find a new dedication and a sense of organization...because their alternative viewpoint is something desperately needed these days.

+1!!!!

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by electronjohn

First...my bona fides: I'm so liberal I make Barry Obama look like Barry Goldwater. There.

Regarding communism: Other than North Korea, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Cuba...communism is dead. Buried. A footnote to history. Typical rightwing tactic to immediately brand anyone they disagree with as a "communist" or "socialist" or "Marxist". The majority of people flinging these pejoratives around wouldn't know a Marxist, socialist or communist if one rose up and bit them in the ass. But, it's convenient "code" to marginalize the opposition and play directly to the unfounded fears of the less-knowledgeable. Karl Rove LOVES that kind of thing. Same for Newt. And, Mitt isn't far behind. "Organizing" has nearly become some sort of obscenity...never mind that organizing is exactly what the teabaggers did.

OWS is/was a direct expression of the frustration that average Americans feel when confronted by the corporatcy/oligarchy that has insinuated its tentacles throughout our nation. No one wanted a handout...just a fair shake. College grads find that, after graduation, what they worked hard for four or more years to obtain is now essentially worthless. But...they are still saddled with onerous debt incurred to gain their now-worthless degree. They don't want their loans wiped out...just a more equitable repayment arrangement. Most participants in OWS and similar protests are plain sick & tired of corporations like Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Pharma and all the rest essentially calling the shots for our government and would like them to just butt out. It's too bad OWS isn't better organized...the population would take them more seriously and maybe, maybe start to examine where they themselves fit in to the greater scheme of things.

Hopefully, OWS will find a new dedication and a sense of organization...because their alternative viewpoint is something desperately needed these days.

Another one who agrees, nice post!




Barney

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by electronjohn

First...my bona fides: I'm so liberal I make Barry Obama look like Barry Goldwater. There.

Regarding communism: Other than North Korea, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Cuba...communism is dead. Buried. A footnote to history.

Have we forgotten CHINA ?

Typical rightwing tactic to immediately brand anyone they disagree with as a "communist" or "socialist" or "Marxist". The majority of people flinging these pejoratives around wouldn't know a Marxist, socialist or communist if one rose up and bit them in the ass. But, it's convenient "code" to marginalize the opposition and play directly to the unfounded fears of the less-knowledgeable. Karl Rove LOVES that kind of thing. Same for Newt. And, Mitt isn't far behind.

Just as branding someone a Racist, Elitist, Tea bagger, etc. is a Leftwing tactic to discredit and dehumanize their opposition. Two different politicians carrying the same luggage.

"Organizing" has nearly become some sort of obscenity...never mind that organizing is exactly what the tea baggers did.

Organizing is honorable profession, when done legally, when you pay someone something to get them to register to voter, that is illegal. When you falsify forms and registrations, that is illegal.

OWS is/was a direct expression of the frustration that average Americans feel when confronted by the corporatcy/oligarchy that has insinuated its tentacles throughout our nation. No one wanted a handout...just a fair shake. College grads find that, after graduation, what they worked hard for four or more years to obtain is now essentially worthless. But...they are still saddled with onerous debt incurred to gain their now-worthless degree. They don't want their loans wiped out...just a more equitable repayment arrangement. Most participants in OWS and similar protests are plain sick & tired of corporations like Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Pharma and all the rest essentially calling the shots for our government and would like them to just butt out. It's too bad OWS isn't better organized...the population would take them more seriously and maybe, maybe start to examine where they themselves fit in to the greater scheme of things.

Nice word. But everyone took the student loans money, knowing they would need to repay them. They could have got a job, but they went to school, to better their chances out in the real world. Well right now with the economy in the hole, they ended up with four great fun years, that they didn't have to work for. Now it is time to pay up.

Hopefully, OWS will find a new dedication and a sense of organization...because their alternative viewpoint is something desperately needed these days.

If your talking about that dirty, smelly, inconsistent, disorderly, unruly group of people that have gathered around the country, Organized, that a laugh. When you asked them why they were there, most of them didn't know, dude, and the rest wanted freebies or help paying off of the student loans that they applied for and spent. Does anyone think that if they made it big, as they hoped, would be helping anyone else NOW? Of course not, their liberals. Liberals are cheapest of all charitable contributers.

[Bigerik]

wow!!!

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

wow!!!

Wouldn't Rush be proud.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Wouldn't Rush be proud.

Regards,

D-Ray

Cept he wouldn't believe it either.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Dude, go change your diaper.

DJ we have something similar to your mouth out in the back yard, we have it pumped every four of five years.

[merrylander]

Went to the bank yesterday to get our IRA transferred away from that big Casino in lower Manhatten into something safer. We can relax now because if the Republicans win in November it wall make 2008's recession look like a walk in the park.

[electronjohn]

Sorry I left out China. But...it's a stretch to call China "communist". Other than the name of the party, what China is now is a state-controlled capitalist system. I give grudging props to Richard Nixon for "planting the seed", so to speak. There's absolutely no way we would see the China of today with Chairman Mao or Chou En Lai at the helm...as true hardline communists they'd be horrified. Nixon's visit to China was in some ways similar to Commodore Perry's visit to Japan in the 1800s...it opened the door to the west and gave China a glimpse of the economic power they could become.

Oh...and another thing: Regarding charitable activity vis-a-vis conservatives and liberals. Most conservatives don't view their chairitable contributions as "charity"...they're tax deductions. In my case, I can't AFFORD to contribute as much as I would like. I divide $200/year between the Humane Society, ASPCA, the National Wildlife Federation and the Arbor Day foundation. Sure wish I could do more financially...but I do what I can otherwise by helping deliver senior meals when I can, teaching astronomy & electronics for the Cub Scouts & Boy Scouts, helping with food drives and other non-monetary contributions. What I do is very similar to what a lot of others with similar views do. Sure, donating money is great...but time is money and I'll give as much as I can.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

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Organizing is honorable profession, when done legally, when you pay someone something to get them to register to voter, that is illegal. When you falsify forms and registrations, that is illegal.



Nice word. But everyone took the student loans money, knowing they would need to repay them. They could have got a job, but they went to school, to better their chances out in the real world. Well right now with the economy in the hole, they ended up with four great fun years, that they didn't have to work for. Now it is time to pay up.



If your talking about that dirty, smelly, inconsistent, disorderly, unruly group of people that have gathered around the country, Organized, that a laugh. When you asked them why they were there, most of them didn't know, dude, and the rest wanted freebies or help paying off of the student loans that they applied for and spent. Does anyone think that if they made it big, as they hoped, would be helping anyone else NOW? Of course not, their liberals. Liberals are cheapest of all charitable contributers.

Shut off the radio.

Dave