It's Official, Russians Corrupted The Election

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Our country is so gullible, easy to believe any conspiracy theory and ignore simple painful facts. Easily to imagine millions of illegal aliens voted in this election, then see no effect from Russia?

Believe good paying jobs are coming back to the USA. Yes they will be but for robots! Automation is the main culprit for the loss of jobs now. Manufacturing positions are being replaced by mechanized over humans in ever increasing numbers, they work 24/7 no vacations and sick time.
Also look no further the your local grocery store and the checkout lines to all the self serve. Then two others would be online transactions and phone service centers.

Barney

So bring these factories of robots to States instead of having them in China.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

So bring these factories of robots to States instead of having them in China.

People are cheaper in China, so there it's more people fewer robots. But robots keep getting cheaper too.

There are getting to be fewer jobs to go around, and this trend will only grow. The only actual solution is the guaranteed wage, which will fund consumption and keep the economy turning. What's the difference to the economy if the consumer's consumption is funded by work, or not? If matters only if too many freeloaders would impact the accomplishment of needed work. But if that's not the case anymore?

But don't expect the Republicans to come around to this sort of thinking for decades, if ever. Disdain for the 'lazy' may be in their genes.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

People are cheaper in China, so there it's more people fewer robots. But robots keep getting cheaper too.

There are getting to be fewer jobs to go around, and this trend will only grow. The only actual solution is the guaranteed wage, which will fund consumption and keep the economy turning. What's the difference to the economy if the consumer's consumption is funded by work, or not? If matters only if too many freeloaders would impact the accomplishment of needed work. But if that's not the case anymore?

But don't expect the Republicans to come around to this sort of thinking for decades, if ever. Disdain for the 'lazy' may be in their genes.

I grant you the major point but I still maintain the minor one: China, especially, should not benefit from the factories.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The only actual solution is the guaranteed wage, which will fund consumption and keep the economy turning. What's the difference to the economy if the consumer's consumption is funded by work, or not? If matters only if too many freeloaders would impact the accomplishment of needed work. But if that's not the case anymore?

But don't expect the Republicans to come around to this sort of thinking for decades, if ever. Disdain for the 'lazy' may be in their genes.

I agree with all of this.

Except that I think you meant to say "guaranteed income" not wage.

At least the movement towards this has started in western Europe, although it's still in it's infancy.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But don't expect the Republicans to come around to this sort of thinking for decades, if ever. Disdain for the 'lazy' may be in their genes.

That's why I favor more government jobs, not less. At least then you can pay people not to work and still create the illusion that they are working.

[bobabode]

Meanwhile, der Gropenfurher just announced a hiring freeze. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening in your head.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

So bring these factories of robots to States instead of having them in China.

Originally Posted by Dondilion

I grant you the major point but I still maintain the minor one: China, especially, should not benefit from the factories.

You are going to be pissing off the First Daughter with your attitude. Better start a retraction soon.

Will Ivanka Trump's China-Made Clothing Line Survive Her Dad's Trade War?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...political-cost

For the Trumps, ‘Made in U.S.A.’ May Be a Tricky Label to Stitch

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/b...facturing.html

Ivanka Trump's best-selling fashion line is manufactured in China and Vietnam

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a7153376.html

[sheltiedave]

Yep, the VA cannot hire needed medical professionals until new hires get vetted by a new process that ensures the 2000 new doctors, nurses, and adpacs are the proper doctors, nurses, and adpacs. What bullshit.....

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

Yep, the VA cannot hire needed medical professionals until new hires get vetted by a new process that ensures the 2000 new doctors, nurses, and adpacs are the proper doctors, nurses, and adpacs. What bullshit.....

I understand that 30% of the federal workforce are veterans. So Trump just screwed those folks over.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

People are cheaper in China, so there it's more people fewer robots. But robots keep getting cheaper too.

There are getting to be fewer jobs to go around, and this trend will only grow. The only actual solution is the guaranteed wage, which will fund consumption and keep the economy turning. What's the difference to the economy if the consumer's consumption is funded by work, or not? If matters only if too many freeloaders would impact the accomplishment of needed work. But if that's not the case anymore?

But don't expect the Republicans to come around to this sort of thinking for decades, if ever. Disdain for the 'lazy' may be in their genes.

As Walter Reuther said to Henry Ford "How many of your cars do you think these robots will buy?"

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

People are cheaper in China, so there it's more people fewer robots. But robots keep getting cheaper too.

There are getting to be fewer jobs to go around, and this trend will only grow. The only actual solution is the guaranteed wage, which will fund consumption and keep the economy turning. What's the difference to the economy if the consumer's consumption is funded by work, or not? If matters only if too many freeloaders would impact the accomplishment of needed work. But if that's not the case anymore?
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But don't expect the Republicans to come around to this sort of thinking for decades, if ever. Disdain for the 'lazy' may be in their genes.

Kurt Vonnegut wrote about this 65 years ago, in a book called Player Piano. It has probably been 40 years since I read it, but it sticks in my mind.