Welfare Capitalism

[BlueStreak]

Okay, however you want to try and explain your way around it.

What I keep hearing and seeing is that if we don't lighten the load on "the job creaters" and start sucking up to them and give them whatever they want, they'll stop creating jobs and society collapses. And I believe that despite the twist you've presented here, that that is the basic premise of "Atlas Shrugged". And that is what has Republicans shitting their pants. Christ it's all nearly they talk about anymore.

What is the answer? I dunno. But, I do know that if we decide to take the track of pushing everything back to Guilded Age style freewheeling capitalism, we're gonna find out that that was no Xanadu either. Truth is, most of us today live way better than those folks did.

As imperfect as it is, I still believe in "one man, one vote". If Dave and Chuck and their buddies don't like it, they can go piss up a rope. Fuck them, their billion dollar SuperPacs and thier well paid for conservative SCOTUS justices. No, corporations are not people. I do NOT want my employer and his shareholders making political decisions for me, our goals are not, and most likely never will be exactly the same.

So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Okay, however you want to try and explain your way around it.

What I keep hearing and seeing is that if we don't lighten the load on "the job creaters" and start sucking up to them and give them whatever they want, they'll stop creating jobs and society collapses. And I believe that despite the twist you've presented here, that that is the basic premise of "Atlas Shrugged". And that is what has Republicans shitting their pants. Christ it's all nearly they talk about anymore.

What is the answer? I dunno. But, I do know that if we decide to take the track of pushing everything back to Guilded Age style freewheeling capitalism, we're gonna find out that that was no Xanadu either. Truth is, most of us today live way better than those folks did.

As imperfect as it is, I still believe in "one man, one vote". If Dave and Chuck and their buddies don't like it, they can go piss up a rope. Fuck them, their billion dollar SuperPacs and thier well paid for conservative SCOTUS justices. No, corporations are not people. I do NOT want my employer and his shareholders making political decisions for me, our goals are not, and most likely never will be exactly the same.

So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Pretty well sums it up.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Okay, however you want to try and explain your way around it.

What I keep hearing and seeing is that if we don't lighten the load on "the job creaters" and start sucking up to them and give them whatever they want, they'll stop creating jobs and society collapses. And I believe that despite the twist you've presented here, that that is the basic premise of "Atlas Shrugged". And that is what has Republicans shitting their pants. Christ it's all nearly they talk about anymore.

What is the answer? I dunno. But, I do know that if we decide to take the track of pushing everything back to Guilded Age style freewheeling capitalism, we're gonna find out that that was no Xanadu either. Truth is, most of us today live way better than those folks did.

As imperfect as it is, I still believe in "one man, one vote". If Dave and Chuck and their buddies don't like it, they can go piss up a rope. Fuck them, their billion dollar SuperPacs and thier well paid for conservative SCOTUS justices. No, corporations are not people. I do NOT want my employer and his shareholders making political decisions for me, our goals are not, and most likely never will be exactly the same.

So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I thought I was entirely reasonable. Guess not.

But I'll toss you a bone...I don't like superpaks either.

For what it's worth,

Chas

[piece-itpete]

It is one man one vote.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Yeah, right.

Maybe technically so. But, now they can use money raised from the fruit of my labor to fund campaigns on my behalf without my permission or consulting me at all. (And, even if they did ask me, we all know how those things go..."We're moving on this and everyone here is expected to be on board. Any questions? No? Good.") Pete, this is exacty the thing that the right has complained labor unions shouldn't be able to do for decades. Around here they've been running the anti-union ads complaining about this very thing. What? Unions should be barred from making political donations, but not employers? Yeah, I'm too dumb to see what that is all about.

And, don't give me that, "Well, you don't have to keep working there." stuff, either. You know it's not that simple. Would you just get up and walk away from your job if your boss told you he donated big money to the Obama campaign? Of course not, you need your job. And, so do I.

I could squeeze out maybe $50 to donate to a campaign. The company I work for is a multi-billion dollar multi-national. Who has the ability to make the greater impact?

[piece-itpete]

Money = vote? I thought only Dem machine town people got to vote more than once

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Money = vote? I thought only Dem machine town people got to vote more than once

Pete

Some claim it does when they see it going into democratic SuperPacs......

No, money doesn't always = votes, but it does buy influence (And Florida Supreme Court justices.) and it does pay for a whole lot of propaganda. Doesn't it?

If I had my way, political campaigns would last maybe two months, party primaries for a month. Nomination. Debate for a month. Election. All funded with public money, equally distributed, no outside donations or private funding allowed. Your vote is your voice, your money stays in your pocket, no matter who you are.

But, I'm nobody.

[JJIII]

[QUOTE=BlueStreak;98683
If I had my way, political campaigns would last maybe two months, party primaries for a month. Nomination. Debate for a month. Election. All funded with public money, equally distributed, no outside donations or private funding allowed. Your vote is your voice, your money stays in your pocket, no matter who you are.

But, I'm nobody.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a plan to me.

[merrylander]

It takes money to get the information out, even if it is a simple sheet of paper. I have some great ideas for a TV spot but I doubt that even selling the property would cover the bill.

[piece-itpete]

Me too bro. One day, when we grow up, we'll still be nobodies :-)

Pete