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02-06-2014, 05:16 PM
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Jigsawed
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A connection between Fracking and Drought?
The below article deals with the claim that there is a connection between
Fracking and drought.
There are some intelligent input in the comment section.
http://america.aljazeera.com/article...nmuchofus.html
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02-06-2014, 05:51 PM
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Loyal Opposition
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Johnson County, Kansas
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It is beginning to look like the only safe way to reduce carbon emissions is extreme conservation. Given that such extreme measures are unrealistic, what are the options? I started thinking about this again when I heard an interview with former Mayor Bloomberg today. He indicated that we had made serious headway in reducing coal-powered electric plants because of increased natural gas production. Bloomberg is no environmental lightweight, but he didn't mention the cost at which the increased production came.
It seems like there is yin and yang with any environmental measure. The concern for carbon emissions (and gas-powered electric generation is not carbon-free) has shed a different light on the viability of nuclear power generation. But, besides the safety risks, the nuclear waste creates its own set of environmental issues.
Electric cars are being touted as a green option, but how green when we take into account the demand that charging can put on the grid?
Ain't no easy answers kids.
Regards,
D-Ray
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02-06-2014, 07:07 PM
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No, there isn't and the longer we futz around with it the worse it's going to be.
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02-06-2014, 07:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueStreak
No, there isn't and the longer we futz around with it the worse it's going to be.
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Yeh, but even the gung-ho anti-global warming Europeans have acknowledged the current reality and backed off their aggressive programs.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/edito...,1215111.story
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02-06-2014, 07:33 PM
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Well if we stop all this crazy global trade we would conserve tons of energy.
Some of it is just absurd. I live in California and I can't get fruits and vegetables grown here. We get ours from Mexico! WTF. Why not let the region utilize what they have before shipping the same thing back and forth.
Last edited by 4-2-7; 02-06-2014 at 07:45 PM.
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02-06-2014, 07:56 PM
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Area Man
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4-2-7
Well if we stop all this crazy global trade we would conserve tons of energy.
Some of it is just absurd. I live in California and I can't get fruits and vegetables grown here. We get ours from Mexico! WTF. Why not let the region utilize what they have before shipping the same thing back and forth.
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Profit margins and the free market. If it's cheaper to grow in another country and import it, that's what they will do. It's not that it can't be done, it's that everyone refuses to pay for it. Everyone wants cheap produce and every producer expects to become a billionaire growing grapes. And, of course, we peasants expect good jobs with strong wages and all the bennies......
The shame of it is that California grows some of the most wonderful fruit and veggies on earth.
Dave
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02-06-2014, 08:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueStreak
Profit margins and the free market. If it's cheaper to grow in another country and import it, that's what they will do. It's not that it can't be done, it's that everyone refuses to pay for it. Everyone wants cheap produce and every producer expects to become a billionaire growing grapes. And, of course, we peasants expect good jobs with strong wages and all the bennies......
The shame of it is that California grows some of the most wonderful fruit and veggies on earth.
Dave
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Can't even get a pear anymore that will turn yellow and sweet.
Who the hell is getting our fruit! We end up with the goofy fruits instead. Well when gas starts costing too much do to low levels maybe regons can enjoy their goods.
But what a waste of energy..
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02-06-2014, 08:29 PM
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Admin
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain in California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4-2-7
Well if we stop all this crazy global trade we would conserve tons of energy.
Some of it is just absurd. I live in California and I can't get fruits and vegetables grown here. We get ours from Mexico! WTF. Why not let the region utilize what they have before shipping the same thing back and forth.
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Which part of California are you in? I'm down in Orange county, home of the tea drenched . Used to live in the South Bay, Redondo Beach. Born in LA and grew up near USC.
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02-06-2014, 08:35 PM
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Reformed Know-Nothing
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MoCo, MD
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4-2-7
Well if we stop all this crazy global trade we would conserve tons of energy.
Some of it is just absurd. I live in California and I can't get fruits and vegetables grown here. We get ours from Mexico! WTF. Why not let the region utilize what they have before shipping the same thing back and forth.
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That's odd. Most of the veggies in our grocery stores come from California (unfortunately).
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02-06-2014, 08:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by finnbow
That's odd. Most of the veggies in our grocery stores come from California (unfortunately).
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No more artichokes for you Pat.
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