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Old 04-06-2015, 06:23 PM
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Reckon if it will be as big a story as Ferguson...

Justus Howell 17 died from two gunshot wounds in the back according to the Lake County, IL coroner. He was being pursued by the Zion, IL PD who were called by a neighbor who reported hearing an argument and a gunshot. The cops say a weapon was recovered at the scene. So we'll see where this goes.

So far no street demos, no Jesse Jackson, no nothing beyond stories in the local news. Has anybody outside of the Chicago area even heard about this?
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Old 04-06-2015, 06:56 PM
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A weapon and a witness.

What's to complain?
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:27 AM
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From the CBS story on this:

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When the two struggled over the gun, a round was discharged and soon squad cars began to approach. Officers began to chase Howell, and Peet said he heard them giving him orders. Afterward, gunshots rang out and Peet fled.

Police say officers responding to a call about an altercation began chasing a male when he ran from the scene. They say that after the teen was shot, officers recovered a handgun.
This account is very bare-bones. Need to know more of what the officers knew and saw, and what Howell did. So far the only clear facts are that

1) a weapon was discharged
2) officers arrived
3) Howell was chased and shot in the back

We need more than 1) and 2) to justify 3).
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:29 AM
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From the CBS story on this:



This account is very bare-bones. Need to know more of what the officers knew and saw, and what Howell did. So far the only clear facts are that

1) a weapon was discharged
2) officers arrived
3) Howell was chased and shot in the back

We need more than 1) and 2) to justify 3).
No, you don't.

The above is more than enough, unless you desire for police to wait until an armed individual involved in an argument actively continues to fire a weapon in public instead of fleeing into the night with it so he can do it again...
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:39 AM
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A weapon and a witness.

What's to complain?
Just pondering Zeke...not complaining. I believe I provided a balanced OP. Including pondering the absence of the town of Zion, IL erupting in marches led by pious local religious figures who are utterly disinterested in any publicity, and only want justice and peace.

Extract the jumping cholla from out your ass.

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Old 04-07-2015, 10:39 AM
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What's the racial makup of Zion? ( I go check...) Hmmm...majority minority. What's the racial makup of the police force?

We can only guess:



Still different places, different cultures. There may be less of a mood to protest up in Zion.
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No, you don't.

The above is more than enough, unless you desire for police to wait until an armed individual involved in an argument actively continues to fire a weapon in public instead of fleeing into the night with it so he can do it again...
There is enough only if you assume facts not in evidence.
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There is enough only if you assume facts not in evidence.
1. Witness.
2. Argument.
3. Gun.
4. Fleeing.

All in evidence.
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:17 AM
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What's the racial makup of Zion? ( I go check...) Hmmm...majority minority. What's the racial makup of the police force?

We can only guess:



Still different places, different cultures. There may be less of a mood to protest up in Zion.
Demographically it's an integrated community. It may, or may not be geographically.


White alone - 9,075 (37.1%)
Black alone - 8,151 (33.4%)
Hispanic - 5,672 (23.2%)
Two or more races - 1,186 (4.9%)
Asian alone - 547 (2.2%)
American Indian alone - 66 (0.3%)
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 46 (0.2%)
Other race alone - 20 (0.08%)




http://www.city-data.com/city/Zion-Illinois.html

Can't find any PD demographics.
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Old 04-07-2015, 11:20 AM
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1. Witness.
2. Argument.
3. Gun.
4. Fleeing.

All in evidence.
really? source?
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