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Old 03-10-2019, 08:42 PM
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As far as the State of Israel is concerned...it is the only democracy in all the middle east.
Not so fast. Just today, "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday the State of Israel belongs to the Jewish people alone, this in response to a comment by Israeli actress Rotem Sela, who wrote on social media that Israel is a country of all its citizens."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...lity-1.7003348

This is in a country where ~25% of the population is not Jewish and Christians and Druze serve in the IDF (and the Haredim (ultra-orthodox Jews) don't despite their disproportionate influence on Israeli society).
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Old 03-11-2019, 12:40 AM
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It's just a whataboutery defense. It's true to some extent, but not important to the topic.
Nor is bullshit like Israel is an apartheid state important to the topic. But for the sake of debate, if it is...it's nowhere near the high quality apartheid state as the one we have.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:07 AM
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The U.S. is an apartheid state?
Since when has it not been?
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:27 AM
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But let's get distracted by another debate over baby killer Zionazis...and excuse the anti-Semitism, fucked up equivalence of Trump and Obama, and all the other shit (allegiance to Israel over allegiance to this country, etc.) spewing out of the festering piehole of Ilhan Omar.

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Old 03-11-2019, 08:13 AM
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Ilhan Omar has not learner how to speak and say nothing yet. How to in the same sentence agree with both sides of an issue.
The Israel issue much like race is one best say as little as possible.

No off the cuff statements without first carefully previously preparing one's words.

Much like the citizens of the U.S.A. would feel if someday Native Americans reclaimed and seized prime land owned by others. Under only their perceived entitlement granted by "The Great Spirit". In powered granted by a group of outside nations BTW...
The Palestinians are to say lightly upset having little to no voice in the injustices put upon them. Fighting back in anyway possible way against a superior force. Not to be condoned in any way at all. Rightfully condemned!

Given the nature of hatred for Islam in this country due to ignorance more then fact. I see where more understanding of just why statements like hers need be uttered in the first place.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:13 AM
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But let's get distracted by another debate over baby killer Zionazis...and excuse the anti-Semitism, fucked up equivalence of Trump and Obama, and all the other shit (allegiance to Israel over allegiance to this country, etc.) spewing out of the festering piehole of Ilhan Omar.
Your sensitivity to anything and everything that could be construed as criticism of Israel seems to have attracted you to a cynical ploy by the Right to capitalize on Omar's comments.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...al-israel-ploy

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In the U.S. today a ‘supporter of Israel’ is much more likely to be an evangelical Christian Republican than a Jew.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is Jewish, said in a statement he is not buying the GOP effort to “equate anti-Semitism with legitimate criticism of the right wing, Netanyahu government in Israel.”

In your eyes, is criticism of Bibi for his recent statement that "'...the State of Israel belongs to the Jewish people alone' in response to a comment by Israeli actress Rotem Sela, who wrote on social media that Israel is a country of all its citizens" anti-Semitic?
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:55 AM
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Your sensitivity to anything and everything that could be construed as criticism of Israel seems to have attracted you to a cynical ploy by the Right to capitalize on Omar's comments.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...al-israel-ploy

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In the U.S. today a ‘supporter of Israel’ is much more likely to be an evangelical Christian Republican than a Jew.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is Jewish, said in a statement he is not buying the GOP effort to “equate anti-Semitism with legitimate criticism of the right wing, Netanyahu government in Israel.”

In your eyes, is criticism of Bibi for his recent statement that "'...the State of Israel belongs to the Jewish people alone' in response to a comment by Israeli actress Rotem Sela, who wrote on social media that Israel is a country of all its citizens" anti-Semitic?
Why TF are we talking about Bibi? I'm no fan of Bibi. Can you produce a single post of mine where I defended Bibi? He's the fucking Donald Trump of Israel politics. And his staying power, based on his aggressiveness, is only evidence of how fearful most Israelis are of their friendly neighbors who only want peace. The 90% approval rating of the IDF is similar confirmation. Are Israeli Jews paranoid. You bet they are. And it's a healthy paranoia, based in their experience. In the same way as the healthy paranoia of American blacks when it comes to a country half full of white Christian confederates that put Trump in the Whitehouse. And who have filled the Congress half full of bigot Republican politicians, Trump criminal enterprise co-conspirators.

Bibi is a convenient tangential distraction. The issue is Ilhan Omar's repeated use of anti-Semitic tropes, her references to disloyalty, and the repeated references to Benjamins (read Jewish money), influence (read Jewish power), and intelligence (read Jewish "wileyness").

Not to mention her attack on Barack Obama. Apparently his approval of drone attacks and Seal Team incursions to take out terrorists is a problem. It appears done attacks on terrorists are murder regardless of the behavior of the target.

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Old 03-11-2019, 11:08 AM
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At least she didn"t say 'It's all about the gilt....'

Still, I agree the good people of her district need a new rep.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:33 AM
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Not so fast. Just today, "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday the State of Israel belongs to the Jewish people alone, this in response to a comment by Israeli actress Rotem Sela, who wrote on social media that Israel is a country of all its citizens."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...lity-1.7003348

This is in a country where ~25% of the population is not Jewish and Christians and Druze serve in the IDF (and the Haredim (ultra-orthodox Jews) don't despite their disproportionate influence on Israeli society).

LOL, yeah it doesn't sound like Netanyahu thinks Israel is a democracy.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:35 AM
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Anybody ever been to a McDonalds in Israel? I hear they are the only McDonalds in the world that serves the never happy meal...……..I'll let myself out...……….
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