Governor Whitmer Kidnapping Plot

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Evidence is what gets one killed.

The FBI does a fine job, ninety-some percent of the time.

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[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I wouldn't jump to any such conclusion. Allow it to play out in court.

This case is a done deal, no further court cases involved. The Lone Wolf domestic terrorist was shot dead (maybe he shot himself).

There was no conspiracy to blow up a hospital, because the other parties were FBI agents. No conspiracy charges were filed against the guy who was said to be providing the explosives, because he too, was working in conjunction with the FBI. He's probably out of jail by now.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ks/pr/f...fo-napalm-ieds

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The following is drawn from the U.S. Justice Department's page on Entrapment. This defense would have to be developed from detailed evidence at trial; it cannot be assumed from a newspaper-level outline of a sting case.

There are two elements to an entrapment defense:
1) The government induces the crime
2) The defendent lacked predisposition to commit the crime

Lack of either element is fatal to an entrapment defense.

To show inducement, the defense must show more that government artifice or deceit. They must show:
* at least persuasion or mild coercion
* OR, pleas based on need, sympathy, or friendship
* OR, extraordinary promises
Inducement shown only if government's behavior was such that "a law-abiding citizen's will to obey the law could have been overborne."

"The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant "was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime."

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...pment-elements

Very informative. Most likely the Whitmer conspirators will be found guilty.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Chicks

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That's a cool toy.

Is there a 'COINTELPRO' edition ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTE...0organizations.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Very informative. Most likely the Whitmer conspirators will be found guilty.

What I notice is that the government can induce all they want, if they are sure they can show the defendant is predisposed. Still won't be entrapment. Good reason not to shoot your mouth off, on social media, about how criminal acts would be a good idea....

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

What I notice is that the government can induce all they want, if they are sure they can show the defendant is predisposed. Still won't be entrapment. Good reason not to shoot your mouth off, on social media, about how criminal acts would be a good idea....

I get it.

The legal definition of 'the entrapped' is not someone who's caught in a trap. It's someone that had to be released from the trap.

Is there a term for someone who is rightfully 'stung' by a sting operation ?

Besides 'criminal' I mean. 'Chump', maybe ? 'Currently deceased', in the case of the hospital bomber wannabe.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

I get it.

The legal definition of 'the entrapped' is not someone who's caught in a trap. It's someone that had to released from the trap.

Is there a term for someone who is rightfully 'stung' by a sting operation ?

Besides 'criminal' I mean. 'Chump', maybe ? 'Currently deceased', in the case of the hospital bomber wannabe.

Part I bolded is, I think, an excellent insight.

[BigElCat]

Sorry I saw it from the media headlines. Here's the outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAXXPKivIaM

[Oerets]

Whenever I learn of someone getting away with any crime or wrong doing. Using the defense of entrapment.
Having little sympathy for those caught. Only in the thinking of how it would workout as an excuse if used by a husband when caught with another woman. Just how well that would fly at gaining a walk away scot free..

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Whenever I learn of someone getting away with any crime or wrong doing. Using the defense of entrapment.
Having little sympathy for those caught. Only in the thinking of how it would workout as an excuse if used by a husband when caught with another woman. Just how well that would fly at gaining a walk away scot free..

No faith in our judicial system, eh?

They were presumed innocent until found guilty. Two walked away scot free because they hadn't committed any crimes.

Two are going to be re-tried.

Two others that plead guilty are most likely the informants that presented the whole idea. They'll probably get rewarded for their service to the FBI, like a drug trafficking conviction reversed or something.