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Old 07-06-2017, 06:32 PM
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Step one in ridding ourselves of this scumbag Trump wanna-be.

And Moody's says they may still kick Illinois' rating down to "junk." And I say fuck Moody's and fuck Standard and Poors as well. The rating houses rolled over and died behind Bear Stearns and Lehman's demands for top ratings on their loan bundles filled half full with D rated paper. The rating houses were as responsible for the meltdown as the banksters. Maybe more.

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:35 PM
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Still have $250 Billion in unfunded pension liabilities, apparently constitutionally guaranteed. Hell of a problem. Politicians bent over backwards for the public employee unions, which are a real menace in way too many states.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:32 PM
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Which brings up the question, why do government employees at any level need union representation?
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:54 AM
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Which brings up the question, why do government employees at any level need union representation?
Because they need union representation. Why do you think unions came into existence at all?

My wife is a union represented government registered nurse. If she did not have a union to represent her, she could be doubleshifted, be forced to work ten days in a row, be forced to work mandatory overtime, be a casual day labor nurse who could be released at any moment from her assigned work hours due to low census, be subject to immediate layoff without recourse if she was involved in a whistleblower situation, have inadequate hierarchal structures to elevate patient concerns, and a multitude of other scenarios that directly affect patient care and safety.

If you think that care at the VA system is bad, just imagine what it would be like without nurses advocating on behalf of their patients.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:57 AM
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Not sure why nurses need a union to advocate on behalf of patients; that doesn't follow logically. Unions advocate on behalf of their members, for better or worse. Teachers unions surely haven't improved the quality of education for students in this country, but they have definitely driven up costs for taxpayers, especially with the billions of unfunded pension liabilities saddling so many states.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:04 AM
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Not sure why nurses need a union to advocate on behalf of patients; that doesn't follow logically. Unions advocate on behalf of their members, for better or worse. Teachers unions surely haven't improved the quality of education for students in this country, but they have definitely driven up costs for taxpayers, especially with the billions of unfunded pension liabilities saddling so many states.
Individual advocates are easily ignored or fired. In union there is strength.

Though you point out that unchecked union power has it's evils, just like unchecked management power. Only an approximation of the ideal balance will be possible.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:19 AM
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Government unions are a joke. They are negotiating with entities that really do not understand how to manage employees since these people are not executives with P & L responsibilities. Everyone likes to play Santa Claus with other peoples money.

People wind up with jobs for life, ridiculous retirement benefits not only for themselves but even their spouses. And then the city and state governments go broke and we blame the politicians instead of the unions who probably knew when they negotiated these sweetheart deals that they could not be sustained.
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Yes, here in CA, both parties signed off on a pension deal based on rosy projections. Wasn't going to cost taxpayers a dime. Right.... The projections were way off, so the pensions should decrease, just like my 401K, right? Right...

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-m...is-davis-deal/
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Yes, here in CA, both parties signed off on a pension deal based on rosy projections. Wasn't going to cost taxpayers a dime. Right.... The projections were way off, so the pensions should decrease, just like my 401K, right? Right...

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-m...is-davis-deal/
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:39 PM
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I always find it interesting that in conversations about benefits to gov employees, people tend to lump all gov employees into one group.

As a gov employee at the county level.... I do not receive a pension that is equal to my paycheck unless I work thirty five years. I also don't get medical benefits in retirement. And, my spouse gets nothing from my employment. In fact, even after twenty years of service, if I should die before I retire, spouse will get nothing.

That is quite different that those who work at the state level and the city level.

Another thing.... every couple of years, the benefits change. I won't lose anything, but those hired after me have lost several paid holidays and other benefits have been modified/downgraded.

We are required to be part of the union. I don't have anything against unions in general.... but the union I am required to join really sucks. While we were getting furloughed .... they were getting pay raises.

And about that myth that gov workers can't be fired.... they can be.
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