'Why We Did It' The Iraq War

[piece-itpete]

Post 9-11 was an unusual time I think. Both parties followed their leaders who appear to have been in very close agreement.

Pete

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Post 9-11 was an unusual time I think. Both parties followed their leaders who appear to have been in very close agreement.

Pete

Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.

Regards,

D-Ray

It could actually be said that, under Obama, civil liberties have been further eroded. I'm not talking about the NSA, really. That stuff started before way 2008. I'm talking about the targeting of US citizens for assassination and the imprisonment of whistle blowers like Chelsea Manning and John Kiriaku.

John

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Boreas

It could actually be said that, under Obama, civil liberties have been further eroded. I'm not talking about the NSA, really. That stuff started before way 2008. I'm talking about the targeting of US citizens for assassination and the imprisonment of whistle blowers like Chelsea Manning and John Kiriaku.

John

I do not know about Manning...or Snowden. I look at it like this: both took oaths and passed securtiy clearances in order to get the access the nation entrusted to them. More importantly the tax payers (many of whom without health insurance and working in low paying jobs) were paying their salarys....and providing "free" health care for them (in Manning's case in particular...Snowden probably had his provided to him by the sub-contractor who was being paid off by tax payers) because of their military jobs.



So how did those two repay us?


How do you know that Manning has not been responsible for outings overseas in which pro-Americans have been hurt or killed?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

So how did those two repay us?

They repaid us handsomely by exposing the criminal and unconstitutional actions of the government.

How do you know that Manning has not been responsible for outings overseas in which pro-Americans have been hurt or killed?

C'mon, Robbin! You know better than that.

John

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Boreas

They repaid us handsomely by exposing the criminal and unconstitutional actions of the government.



C'mon, Robbin! You know better than that.

John

you do not know what Wiki-leaks has wrought.

plus in the future pro-Americans in dangerous places may be less willing to help us because of Wiki-leaks

Yes I am a Cold War liberal people always forget that for some reason.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

you do not know what Wiki-leaks has wrought.

plus in the future pro-Americans in dangerous places may be less willing to help us because of Wiki-leaks

Yes I am a Cold War liberal people always forget that for some reason.

I doubt any of us fully knows the results of Wiki-leaks' disclosures but I think you're sort of turning things on their heads. If there have been dire consequences stemming from the Wiki-leaks revelations, the responsibility for them, in my view, sits squarely on the shoulders of our government. If they hadn't committed, or covered up, these crimes, there would have been nothing to "leak" and there would have been no blow-back.

John

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.

Regards,

D-Ray

Reverse it? They have treated it more like a knick-knack. Pick it up, look at it, and then put it back on the shelf. Hard to understand how an administration that can push through the ACA seems to suffer from an "if you're not sure what to do with it don't do anything" syndrome on so many other issues.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.

Regards,

D-Ray

And this is why the Constitution needs to be adhered to. I screamed like a S.O.B. when Bush was pulling all this crap & my "Conservative" allies treated me as if I was a friend of the terrorists.

I actually got into a fist fight with a Phoenix bus driver over this subject. We didn't agree on this subject & he took a swing at me. After that, I took out all the dislike I have for the Feds on his head. He not only got stomped, he lost his job as well.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.

Regards,

D-Ray

They put it in hyperdrive.