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01-13-2017, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
Thanks for the links.
It is obvious that enough of the public has realized that the major news outlets are not about news.
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No, Republican operatives have convinced a sizeable chunk of the public that the "lamestream" media does nothing but lie.........and that only right wing outlets can be trusted.
The way it works is as simple as this;
A political party discredits and vilifies the nations established media as "lying press" or in German "Luegenpresse", then establishes it's own propaganda outlets, holding them out as being the sole dispensers of truth.
See how this works?
Here is some further information;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
The lemmings fall for this and thus fall under the thrall of whatever horrid regime has duped them. Welcome to 2017, Sunshine.
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01-13-2017, 07:53 AM
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Reformed Know-Nothing
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
No, Republican operatives have convinced a sizeable chunk of the public that the "lamestream" media does nothing but lie.........and that only right wing outlets can be trusted.
The way it works is as simple as this;
A political party discredits and vilifies the nations established media as "lying press" or in German "Luegenpresse", then establishes it's own propaganda outlets, holding them out as being the sole dispensers of truth...
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You describe the fundamental objective of this thread.
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01-13-2017, 08:47 AM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueStreak
No, Republican operatives have convinced a sizeable chunk of the public that the "lamestream" media does nothing but lie.........and that only right wing outlets can be trusted.
The way it works is as simple as this;
A political party discredits and vilifies the nations established media as "lying press" or in German "Luegenpresse", then establishes it's own propaganda outlets, holding them out as being the sole dispensers of truth.
See how this works?
Here is some further information;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
The lemmings fall for this and thus fall under the thrall of whatever horrid regime has duped them. Welcome to 2017, Sunshine.
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Originally Posted by finnbow
You describe the fundamental objective of this thread.
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You guys still don't understand this after I've explained it several times and provided examples. I can only now assume that you just don't wish to understand.
Ah, the open-minded left...
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01-13-2017, 09:00 AM
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Jigsawed
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Join Date: May 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueStreak
No, Republican operatives have convinced a sizeable chunk of the public that the "lamestream" media does nothing but lie.........and that only right wing outlets can be trusted.
The way it works is as simple as this;
A political party discredits and vilifies the nations established media as "lying press" or in German "Luegenpresse", then establishes it's own propaganda outlets, holding them out as being the sole dispensers of truth.
See how this works?
Here is some further information;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
The lemmings fall for this and thus fall under the thrall of whatever horrid regime has duped them. Welcome to 2017, Sunshine.
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If you listen to CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and call that news then you have really fallen for it.
Now even NPR sounds like CNN.
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01-13-2017, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
You guys still don't understand this after I've explained it several times and provided examples. I can only now assume that you just don't wish to understand.
Ah, the open-minded left...
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Your primary example, and the one that resulted in the most discussion in this thread, was your assertion that the NYTimes article reporting that the intelligence agencies concluded that Putin interfered with the election and ultimately favored Trump was "fake news." Their reporting on the intelligence community's position has proven to be absolutely and unequivocally correct and your squawking on behalf of your Trumpenfuhrer remains the only thing fake.
Listen, it's clear you got way out over your skis in this thread and instead of acknowledging it, you've double-downed on your nonsense. Give up while you're behind, Kellyanne.
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01-13-2017, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
If you listen to CNN, Fox News, MSNBC consistently and realy call that news then you have really fallen for it.
Now even NPR sounds like CNN.
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Yeh, you need to go to the places where der Trumpenfuhrer gets his news (and then retweets it) - Breitbart, InfoWars and the National Enquirer.
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01-13-2017, 09:12 AM
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Jigsawed
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Your primary example, and the one that resulted in the most discussion in this thread, was your assertion that the NYTimes article reporting that the intelligence agencies concluded that Putin interfered with the election and ultimately favored Trump was "fake news." Their reporting on the intelligence community's position has proven to be absolutely and unequivocally correct and your squawking on behalf of your Trumpenfuhrer remains the only thing fake.
Listen, it's clear you got way out over your skis in this thread and instead of acknowledging it, you've double-downed on your nonsense. Give up while you're behind, Kellyanne.
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Ridiculous--nothing concerning current intelligence can be proven absolutely correct.
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01-13-2017, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
Ridiculous--nothing concerning current intelligence can be proven absolutely correct.
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Will not matter!
I fear in this current state of polarized camps even if video and audio forced a confession. It would not matter to the core supporters. So far nothing has cracked that wall.
The truth and reporting have gone to the number of clicks or viewers. All about the market share and revenue. This media created Trump with their free range running of every rally's speeches. Hoping to be the first to air the next sound bite to run with.
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01-13-2017, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
Ridiculous--nothing concerning current intelligence can be proven absolutely correct.
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That's not what I said. I said "Their reporting on the intelligence community's position has proven to be absolutely and unequivocally correct" (i.e.,the NYTimes correctly reported what the intelligence community believed to be true).
Whell's position (and yours apparently) is that since the intelligence community's assessment cannot be proven to be 100% accurate, then it is fake news to report the contents of their assessment.
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01-13-2017, 09:53 AM
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Jigsawed
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Originally Posted by Oerets
Will not matter!
I fear in this current state of polarized camps even if video and audio forced a confession. It would not matter to the core supporters. So far nothing has cracked that wall.
The truth and reporting have gone to the number of clicks or viewers. All about the market share and revenue. This media created Trump with their free range running of every rally's speeches. Hoping to be the first to air the next sound bite to run with.
Barney
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With intelligence and the public, often one has to wait until twenty , fifty years to know what's what.
It is the very nature of the discipline.
Additionally, right now we have intel community which is highly politicized.
The head of the FBI Comey is about to be drawn and quartered.
Clapper of NSA fame is shown to be a liar.
Under Obama the CIA and the State Department have been at each other.
It would just foolish to accept anything the intel community is pushing as gospel.
One should practice a healthy dose of skepticism when we are dealing with public intel.
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