Political Forums  

Go Back   Political Forums > Religion & Politics

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 03-20-2018, 10:01 AM
Pio1980's Avatar
Pio1980 Pio1980 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NE Bamastan
Posts: 8,632
Depends on the church, quite a few wanted a venal self-identified unapologetic pussygrabbing profligate liar in the Oval.
__________________
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 03-20-2018, 10:11 AM
Oerets's Avatar
Oerets Oerets is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Derby City U.S.A.
Posts: 5,107
Just a quick search of some of a few churches around my 10 20.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/us/26guns.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...eaway/5967533/



https://youtu.be/0b2fvZk82YI

https://youtu.be/Rg0k2O5re18

BTW this Pastor killed himself over allegations of sexual assault.
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ead/950666001/



Barney
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 03-20-2018, 12:28 PM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 5,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pio1980 View Post
JJ, can you tell me specifically, what "rights" you believe the 2nd amendment, as written in full, grants individuals minus the militia connection?
Since he doesn't appear to know, I'll tell you again. Self defense and being able to fight a tyrant who is taking over our nation, which Trump clearly isn't. These two rights remain until the Supremes sing otherwise.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 03-20-2018, 12:36 PM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 5,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by whell View Post
Just saw this thread. Don't go to church much, do ya? If you did you'd know that many a call from many a pulpit, including last Sunday in my church, called for action on restriction of guns.
Interesting, until now I didn't perceive you as a gun worshipping redneck. But since you just implied being one who am I to argue.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."

Last edited by nailer; 03-20-2018 at 12:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 03-20-2018, 12:42 PM
Pio1980's Avatar
Pio1980 Pio1980 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NE Bamastan
Posts: 8,632
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
Since he doesn't appear to know, I'll tell you again. Self defense and being able to fight a tyrant who is taking over our nation, which Trump clearly isn't. These two rights remain until the Supremes sing otherwise.
Scalia iirc said, the 2nd permits home defense with a handgun. Nothing else, afaik.

The tyranny bit is a false assumption, absent from the Second in word and intent. Armed insurrection against Federal authority is not a Constitunally granted protected right.

Trump is at least a would be tyrant as POTUS by demeanor.
His removal would be arguably justifiable by any rational judgement of ethical behavior.
__________________
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 03-20-2018, 01:01 PM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 5,821
The tyranny bit isn't a false assumption and having the means at hand to fight a tyrant who has usurped Federal authority is why it's part of the second.

Would be doesn't matter, but is does. If we are ever in actual danger of being under a tyrant's boot, firearms would be an excellent tool in defending our homes. Pretty sure Scalia would concur.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."

Last edited by nailer; 03-20-2018 at 01:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 03-20-2018, 01:17 PM
Pio1980's Avatar
Pio1980 Pio1980 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NE Bamastan
Posts: 8,632
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
The tyranny bit isn't a false assumption and having the means at hand to fight a tyrant who has usurped Federal authority is why it's part of the second.

Would be doesn't matter, but is does. If we are ever in actual danger of being under a tyrant's boot, firearms would be an excellent tool in defending our homes. Pretty sure Scalia would concur.
If that was the intent, it would have been part of the wording. It's just not there.
__________________
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 03-20-2018, 01:30 PM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 5,821
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pio1980 View Post
If that was the intent, it would have been part of the wording. It's just not there.
In other words, you don't believe we have the right to own arms. I know we do because the intent of the second goes beyond the need to arm a militia.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 03-20-2018, 02:01 PM
Pio1980's Avatar
Pio1980 Pio1980 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NE Bamastan
Posts: 8,632
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
In other words, you don't believe we have the right to own arms. I know we do because the intent of the second goes beyond the need to arm a militia.
Potentially, everyone does under the second, including the village idiot and the county homicidal maniac by assumption.
__________________
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 03-20-2018, 02:06 PM
Pio1980's Avatar
Pio1980 Pio1980 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NE Bamastan
Posts: 8,632
Do we "need" a Constitutional amendment to own and operate motor vehicles. No, yet we aren't demanding onesuch, or need it to lawfully do so.
__________________
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:39 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.