50 Years Ago Today

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That was my point! Accusations are cheap! To use them to say the two side are equal is tantamount to saying the two sides are GUILTY of similar accused conduct.

Which, of course, is why I used those words.

Originally Posted by donquixote99

And FALSE accusations against Trump? I see you are now past fairly considering my comments, and are in full partisan mode. So engagement over!

Yup, false. Regardless of how much folks want to believe it happened, there was no finding of collusion with Russia during the 2016 election cycle. Even though it was the topic of breathless reporting for years and allegations by the opposing party and their mouthpieces were non-stop during that period.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yup, false. Regardless of how much folks want to believe it happened, there was no finding of collusion with Russia during the 2016 election cycle. Even though it was the topic of breathless reporting for years and allegations by the opposing party and their mouthpieces were non-stop during that period.

The report said that they had insufficient evidence to prove Trump's involvement in the scheme in part due to obstruction (10 counts, 4 of which were slam dunks), perjury and unwillingness to cooperate with the investigation. They did clearly show, however, that Manafort, Gates and Stone all collaborated/coordinated with Russian agents and that Trump welcomed Russian help and likely benefited from it. The GOP-controlled Select Committee on Intelligence said the same thing.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The report said that they had insufficient evidence to prove Trump's involvement in the scheme in part due to obstruction (10 counts, 4 of which were slam dunks), perjury and unwillingness to cooperate with the investigation. They did clearly show, however, that Manafort, Gates and Stone all collaborated/coordinated with Russian agents and that Trump welcomed Russian help and likely benefited from it. The GOP-controlled Select Committee on Intelligence said the same thing.

That's correct, nobody said tRumpty was exonerated. The insufficient evidence was due to the obstruction. If there was nothing to hide why all the obstruction?

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The report said that they had insufficient evidence to prove Trump's involvement in the scheme in part due to obstruction...

No, it didn't say that. You may wish it said that, but it didn't. What the Mueller report did say was:

Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

Further:

In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign “coordinat[ed]”—a term that appears in the appointment order—with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, “coordination” does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement—tacit or express—between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

I'd prefer to stick to the investigation's conclusions rather than wild speculation about the meaning of certain "evidence" that you think may be relevant.

[RickeyM]

All hail Lord Donald. The Holy anointed one brought to us by God above to save us. Without him we would all scum to those evil forces that surround us. Any and all of his sins are absolved by the Lord above and we have to turn a blind eye to his transgressions lest we offend God almighty. All hail Lord Donny the perfect one who does no wrong and if he does we shouldn't mention it lest it upset his followers.

Oh yeah, MAGA.