Hamas Attack in Israel

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You'll never have to worry about anyone accusing you of objectivity or a nuanced understanding of Middle Eastern affairs.

In other words...Ike everything you said was factual. finn prefers nuanced opinions to facts.

On August 15, 2005, Arafat got everything he was demanding. Every tiny morsel of it. Was it enough? The rest of us are fucking infidels...nothing is ever gonna be enough from the infidels.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

In other words...Ike everything you said was factual. finn prefers nuanced opinions to facts.

On August 15, 2005, Arafat got everything he was demanding. Every tiny morsel of it. Was it enough? The rest of us are fucking infidels...nothing is ever gonna be enough from the infidels.

Pulling 8,500 settlers out of (a destroyed) Gaza wasn't exactly "everything Arafat was demanding."

In any event, Hamas certainly needs to be defeated and destroyed, but the attendant civilian casualties will inflame the problem more than it solves it (which was exactly Hamas' aim, BTW).

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Pulling 8,500 settlers out of (a destroyed) Gaza wasn't exactly "everything Arafat was demanding."

Arafat got everything he wanted. If what Arafat wanted wasn't any good for Gazan Palestinians, that's on Arafat, and it's on Palestinians for supporting the duplicitous leadership that they have had since the partition. If Arafat figured the two state deal in Gaza would be beneficial to him...that's why there was a two state deal made in Gaza in the summer of 2005.

Originally Posted by finnbow

In any event, Hamas certainly needs to be defeated and destroyed, but the attendant civilian casualties will inflame the problem more than it solves it (which was exactly Hamas' aim, BTW).

FEH! That's yiddish for FEH!

Got any specific ideas finn? Because not obliterating the rocket and mortar installations, not obliterating the command and control operations because they're purposefully hidden behind civilians, says terrorism is fine to the rest of the fucking world. BECAUSE DEAD CIVILIAN PALESTINIANS IS WHAT HAMAS WANTS, EVEN MORE THAN DEAD JEWS. The terrorism and murder of Jews generates what Hamas wants most...the death of the Palestinians they are hiding behind when the airstrikes come.

Reckon if it's Muslims or Jews that the christian world hates more. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that the Jews were moved to where they are because the christian European and US leadership post WWII figured putting the pain-in-the-ass Jews (that they had been sick of for decades) in the middle of the only people on earth who hate Jews more than the German nazis, the Poles, the French, the Hungarians etc., etc...would benefit the christian world. Maybe the rest of the world will luck out and the mongrels will kill each other off, eh finn?

Remember Monty Python? "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" In this case it's "Nobody expects September 11th."

[Ike Bana]

I don't like this guy one bit...but in this case he is absolutely right...

This sort of fucking around requires the sort of finding out you don't recover from.

Just ask the families of the dead of September 11th.

[Ike Bana]

PS - in this country there is a ton of both anti-Jew and anti-Muslim hate crime activity going on. And you people who keep telling us that we need to understand why Hamas carried out the October invasion of Israel, need to understand that the hate crimes being perped on Jews and Muslims in this country are not being perped by Jews and Muslims on each other...

THE HATE CRIMES ARE BEING PERPED BY WHITE CHRISTIANS ON BOTH JEWS AND MUSLIMS.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I don't like this guy one bit...but in this case he is absolutely right...

This sort of fucking around requires the sort of finding out you don't recover from.

Just ask the families of the dead of September 11th.

And our reaction to 9/11 was catastrophically stupid, particularly our invasion of Iraq on false pretenses.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And our reaction to 9/11 was catastrophically stupid, particularly our invasion of Iraq on false pretenses.

Which fucking Iraq invasion are you talking about, eh finn?