Musk buys Twitter

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

It is a broad cover to remove people not in one's camp.

One can imagine it being that, but can you show it actually is that?

[Pio1980]

Labeling statements as "facts" doesn't confer veracity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Labeling statements as "facts" doesn't confer veracity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

That needs to be carved on a rock somewhere!

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Labeling statements as "facts" doesn't confer veracity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

The Insane Clown has proven time and again that he doesn't know the difference between fact and fiction.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Chicks

The Insane Clown has proven time and again that he doesn't know the difference between fact and fiction.

Who kicked over his rock, LOL.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Who kicked over his rock, LOL.

DeSantis, I suspect.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

DeSantis, I suspect.

Nah, he hails from Perdooland.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Labeling statements as "facts" doesn't confer veracity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

Certainly can't argue with your statement. I definitely argue with the Wikipedia definition though. It goes off the rails immediately with this: "A fact is something that is true."

To quote Indiana Jones, "“Archaeology is the search for fact … not truth. If it’s truth you’re interested in, Dr. Tyree’s philosophy class is right down the hall."

For example, a man has a y chromosome. That is how we know he is male. That is a "fact". But he may identify as a woman. Some will say it is true that he is a transgender woman. But that is "their truth". The FACT is, he is a man. Now, you can go along with his charade in the same way that you can go along with a person who says he is Napoléon, and address him as "general, sir". But he is not Napoléon. And some subscribe to a "truth" that it harms him to play along with it.

You can have whatever "truth" you want." But you can't just make up facts. And often, facts destroy your truth.

That being said, the dictionary definition DOES ascribe "truth" to facts, but more carefully: "a thing that is known or proved to be true"

That is why Transgender men (and women) are actually just people aflicted with a mental disorder called gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder GIS. A fact is that they may identify as one sex while they are actually another sex. "Truth" involves one's opinion on what that actually means or how it should be dealt with.

But I've gotten off on a tangent. Bottom line is I prefer to deal in certifiable and observed facts and let the "truth" follow.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Labeling statements as "facts" doesn't confer veracity.

Though I agree with the statement, I think a better way of putting it would be, "Labeling statements as "true" doesn't confer support by facts.

Simple example: Fact: Ocean levels at some places are rising. False truth some may infer: Ocean levels are rising.

Why is it a false truth? Because in some places ocean levels are falling. The fact ignored is that in some places land falls and in other places it rises, whereas sea levels reach a constant. They're much more fluid.

So, the "fact" that the sea level at a particular place is rising is only "proof" that the sea level is rising in that one place. It could be that the water is rising OR that the land is sinking. And both DO happen all the time.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Though I agree with the statement, I think a better way of putting it would be, "Labeling statements as "true" doesn't confer support by facts.

Simple example: Fact: Ocean levels at some places are rising. False truth some may infer: Ocean levels are rising.

Why is it a false truth? Because in some places ocean levels are falling. The fact ignored is that in some places land falls and in other places it rises, whereas sea levels reach a constant. They're much more fluid.

So, the "fact" that the sea level at a particular place is rising is only "proof" that the sea level is rising in that one place. It could be that the water is rising OR that the land is sinking. And both DO happen all the time.

Many "Facts" are facts in appropriate context, some are universal. The speed of light is taken as a constant, it's a universal value in relationship to a stationary point if there's agreement on that context. The speed of light in one direction measured from the aspect of light directed in the opposite direction makes for an interesting discussion concerning the absolute relative speed vs the theoretical context.