The Truman Library

[icenine]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

No, he's not. And there-in lies my discontent with Obama. Compared to FDR and Harry S., Obama is weak. Very weak. If he was a strong as FDR, the lead he'd have over Romney right now would be in the double digits, but it's not. Look at the crappy, half assed campaign Romney is running.....and there is still a strong chance that he may win.

What does that tell you?

Dave

He is probably as close to FDR (with the exception of LBJ) that we will get in our memorable lifetime....

and you never know how Obama's actions will affect us 10-15 years from now....

everyone said Truman was washed up too while he was in office...his rehabilitation occurred in the 1970s-80s...

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Agreed about him being ex President. It was said on record to a reporter.

Obama = Truman (or FDR) comments kill me

Pete

OH YEAH it must be hard having to put up with the Bush=Hoover, Harding, Coolidge, Nixon comparisons....

Just wait for Biden Pete..more salty talk!
Parties that nominate witches for senator will probably not be in the executive branch anytime soon

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

So after nearly 25 years in the KC area, we finally went to the Truman Museum today; and we will be going back soon. What a great review of that period of American history. And I took notes. A few of the tidbits that I brought home:

Farming taught him that hard work alone did not guarantee success.

He first proposed a system of national health insurance in 1945. In 1965, LBJ travelled to the Truman Library to sign the Medicare Act.

The Marshall plan was described as “the most unsordid act in human history.” It is truly amazing the extent to which we invested in rebuilding Europe.

I liked a line he used in accepting the nomination for his own run for the presidency “Senator Barkley and I will win this election and make the Republicans like it.” Like today, the conservative columnists inaccurately denigrated his leadership ability.

He pissed off labor during his first presidency by intervening in strikes. As a result, the GOP took over congress during the mid-term elections. When Truman was running for his own presidential term, he told a labor gathering that “if you stay home like you did last time and let these reactionaries stay in power you’ll deserve any blow you get.” Sound like a message to the working people of today?

Truman was moved by the conditions he saw Blacks suffer after the war, and introduced civil rights legislation, which was defeated in Congress. Truman took some steps on his own by integrating the military and issuing an executive order banning discrimination in federal jobs. Truman’s efforts toward civil rights caused Strom Thurmond to leave the Democratic party (good riddance) and run as a third party candidate for president (winning four states). A statement from Thurmond: “There are not enough troops on the Army to force the Southern People to admit Negroes into our theaters, swimming pools & homes.”

Finally, showing his true wisdom, he stated: “I salute baseball as our greatest sport.”

I’m going to have to find a good Truman biography.

Regards,

D-Ray

Thanks!
I hope to spend some time this winter reading a lot about Truman and LBJ.
I am fascinated by these two colorful pres.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Thanks!
I hope to spend some time this winter reading a lot about Truman and LBJ.
I am fascinated by these two colorful pres.

You have to read The Path to Power by Robert Caro if you want the warts and all (LBJ as the devil sort of) about Johnson....

no affiliation

http://www.amazon.com/Path-Power-Yea...+to+power+caro

[piece-itpete]

X2!

Pete

[icenine]

Good book about the Eisenhower years by another old prof of mine....

http://www.amazon.com/Holding-Line-E...RLES+ALEXANDER


ooh that has the really high prices...it goes for much cheaper sorry...

[icenine]

I am pretty sure I am voting for Obama...and no I am not dumb....am I?

[d-ray657]

Dave, for some, any consideration of a GOP candidate could easily be precluded early in the process. For example, the fealty of the GOP to the hard right, particularly social conservatives, would have a considerable impact on the court appointments that a president will make. The Supreme Court is already unbalanced toward the ultra conservative justices. Because of their relative youth (for Supreme Court Justices), the potential is there for a GOP president to put the SCOTUS out on the right end of the spectrum for years to come. That is an extremely important consideration in my decision about a presidential candidate.

Also, although from a world view, there might not be that much difference between the parties in terms of economic theory, there is enough for me to make a choice between candidates based on party affiliation. The chamber of commerce crowd holds considerably more sway with the GOP than with the Dems when it comes to labor-protective legislation and regulation. None of the restrictions on corporate power that are needed would have a prayer in a GOP administration. It would be a tough enough hill to climb with the Democrats in power.

In short, people can have sound reasons to choose party over candidate in a presidential election. It is not because of a lack of thought that one would do so.

Regards,

D-Ray

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Dave, for some, any consideration of a GOP candidate could easily be precluded early in the process. For example, the fealty of the GOP to the hard right, particularly social conservatives, would have a considerable impact on the court appointments that a president will make. The Supreme Court is already unbalanced toward the ultra conservative justices. Because of their relative youth (for Supreme Court Justices), the potential is there for a GOP president to put the SCOTUS out on the right end of the spectrum for years to come. That is an extremely important consideration in my decision about a presidential candidate.

Also, although from a world view, there might not be that much difference between the parties in terms of economic theory, there is enough for me to make a choice between candidates based on party affiliation. The chamber of commerce crowd holds considerably more sway with the GOP than with the Dems when it comes to labor-protective legislation and regulation. None of the restrictions on corporate power that are needed would have a prayer in a GOP administration. It would be a tough enough hill to climb with the Democrats in power.

In short, people can have sound reasons to choose party over candidate in a presidential election. It is not because of a lack of thought that one would do so.

Regards,

D-Ray

Exactly. All this talk about Obama not leading is mistaken. The Repubs in Congress have finally taken Nancy's pledge to heart - Just say NO. I may be missing summat but how in hell is Obama supposed to acomplish anything in the face of that. Remember your precious check and balances? Well the checks bounce and someone has his thumb on the balance. The Framers nevr thought that we would ever have people in Congress who would put party before country such as we have just now. They must be removed from ofice.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Here's my take on that. The outcome of the presidential election will be determined by the as-yet undecided voters. That means the next president will be chosen by the dumbest people in the country.

John

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Originally Posted by icenine

I am pretty sure I am voting for Obama...and no I am not dumb....am I?

Must... Be.... Nice....

Originally Posted by d-ray657

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In short, people can have sound reasons to choose party over candidate in a presidential election. It is not because of a lack of thought that one would do so.

Regards,

D-Ray

I agree Don.

My dad says there used to be a box at the top of the ballot, you checked it (Dem or Rep) to vote a straight party ticket.

Pete