You Call This A Middle Class?

[BlueStreak]

Yes. That's right. And all lot of that was war waged AGAINST unionization. You think they were unprovoked and unwarranted? I grew up around people who were there. And if you think they had no reason, you're an ignoramus that deserves to get punched in the mouth.

Dave

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yes. That's right. And all lot of that was war waged AGAINST unionization. You think they were unprovoked and unwarranted? I grew up around people who were there. And if you think they had no reason, you're an ignoramus that deserves to get punched in the mouth.

Dave

what the fuck lol I asked a question as to what and when, not right or wrong.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

what the fuck lol I asked a question as to what and when, not right or wrong.

Meh, you've made your position clear about unions on more than one occasion. What the fuck is right. You work in the trades and have your head so far up your ass, I can see ya staring back from behind your tonsils.

[BlueStreak]

Sorry, but it's an emotional subject for me. I've personally witnessed some things that run contrary to the rainbows and unicorns, "all unions are bad" view of the employer/employee relationship that so many conservatives have these days.

It's unrealistic and foolish, IMO.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Meh, you've made your position clear about unions on more than one occasion. What the fuck is right. You work in the trades and have your head so far up your ass, I can see ya staring back from behind your tonsils.

LMAO!!!!

Dave

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Sorry, but it's an emotional subject for me. I've personally witnessed some things that run contrary to the rainbows and unicorns, "all unions are bad" view of the employer/employee relationship that so many conservatives have these days.

It's unrealistic and foolish, IMO.

Dave

Well thats why I wanted to look it up to see what your referring to that gauges your opinion.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I blame Sister Mary JJ from Tennessee.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Carter won the first round ok, but at the end of his first term he had become not so popular.

"Reagan won the election, carrying 44 states with 489 electoral votes to 49 electoral votes for Carter.''

Didn't Reagan make it a second term after that? Why didn't Carter?

Because the voters were stupid?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I know what you saying, but it's different today. Today, if the rich can't make what they want then they simply send work offshore, and that costs us even more jobs. While I don't agree it is fair practice, one cannot deny they have us by the balls so to speak. Cut in to their earnings by demanding high wages, harsh EPA regulations, or collecting more taxes from them and they just close shop in the US knowing they can still win the game.

And where will they go, most other industrialized nations would not put up with them. China? India?

[Samm]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I know what you saying, but it's different today. Today, if the rich can't make what they want then they simply send work offshore, and that costs us even more jobs. While I don't agree it is fair practice, one cannot deny they have us by the balls so to speak. Cut in to their earnings by demanding high wages, harsh EPA regulations, or collecting more taxes from them and they just close shop in the US knowing they can still win the game.

You are so right. I say screw the TPP there should be increased taxation on products imported by US owned corporations. If we could find an economist that wasn't bought off we could come up with some numbers that would not longer make it profitable to move the manufacturing jobs offshore.
Where we have lost a lot of our leverage is that we are not the consumers that we used to be when the economy was still able to be covered up as recovering.