Congratulations America!

[rickr15]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Now you got me real ascared !!!!

Hey she already ran the place for 8 years. Don't you remember the impeach Hillary bumper stickers?
BTW I thought she did a decent job too.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Man, this is hard to admit...

I supported Obama. In hindsight, I should have gotten on board with my wife for Hillary. She just knows how to play the game.

I don't know why they asked, but Rasmussen had a poll about her this week- 54% approval. She may get the last laugh.

Take care,

Ed

I'm not there yet, not ready to give up on Obama. Maybe this health care mess will wake him up. That being said, I would have voted enthusiastically for either Obama or Clinton in the General and I'll vote Enthusiastically for Hillary if she decided to run in 2016 (or 2012 if Obama isn't running).

John

[rickr15]

Originally Posted by Dr. Music

Not gonna lie here, I was ready to vote for Hillary because she was campaigning on the contention of taxing and tariffing every US company exporting jobs! Regardless of party, that's who I will vote for the next time around.

If she could do that that I would vote for her.

[djv8ga]

Thank You Boston! Welcome back to America. Brown will make a great Prez!

[Grumpy]

I been gone most of the evening. What did I miss ????

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I been gone most of the evening. What did I miss ????

Brown won in Massachusetts.

[finnbow]

Unfortunately, the Dems have nobody to blame but themselves for this. The sausage-making spectacle of the 2000 page health reform bill died under its own weight, not to mention the unsightly horse-trading with Nelson, Landrieu, et al. As hosed as the American health care delivery system is, it's not clear to me that the Dem's plan even addressed the core issue of cost control. If they had put forth a clear, rational plan that fully addressed the critical issues and did the requisite job of fostering widespread public support for it, it would have been accomplished months ago. I think the fact that the GOP offered no viable alternative was truly pathetic, but the Dem's didn't do themselves any favors with their incompetent handling of the issue.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Unfortunately, the Dems have nobody to blame but themselves for this. The sausage-making spectacle of the 2000 page health reform bill died under its own weight, not to mention the unsightly horse-trading with Nelson, Landrieu, et al. As hosed as the American health care delivery system is, it's not clear to me that the Dem's plan even addressed the core issue of cost control. If they had put forth a clear, rational plan that fully addressed the critical issues and did the requisite job of fostering widespread public support for it, it would have been accomplished months ago. I think the fact that the GOP offered no viable alternative was truly pathetic, but the Dem's didn't do themselves any favors with their incompetent handling of the issue.

I disagree at least to some degree. They tried. The Republicans did everything in their power to make them fail. Not because it was in the best interest of America or the American people, but so they could get elected. Reasonable solutions were dead before the debate even started. This "Socialist" bull shit made it an impossible battle.

I want to line up every Republican who said "we all agree we have to do something" and ask them what they intend to do now. But I already know the answer- nothing.

[Twodogs]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

. Reasonable solutions were dead before the debate even started. .

How do you debate someone who is behind a locked door?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

How do you debate someone who is behind a locked door?

At least a couple of ways as I recall.

-In public. The "socialist" ads were on the air before there was even a proposal. They were bashing it before it even existed.

-Lie. Make up stuff that's not actually in the bill to scare people.

-Deflect. Talk about everything except what the bill is actually about. Abortion for instance.

-Stall. Drag the thing out so long that nothing gets done, all the while saying "we all agree something needs to be done".

There's nothing for it. Sure this is overstating it, but indulge me on a dark evening for progressively minded Americans- Our country is doomed. The Republicans have so mastered the art of selling messages to the American people that we will never move forward. We'll sit at the sidelines and watch the world pass us by. Soon we'll look at China and see something that looks very familiar. Something we all remember from our childhood.

But Republicans will have power! And that's all that matters. They will continue to build a system that benefits only the most wealthy members of our society all the while convincing the middle class that they are on their side- hey, they drive trucks! We'll see cycle after cycle of boom and bust. You and I will get soaked, but the wealthy will do just fine. We'll lose any services the government ever provided and be sold that they're giving us "freedom."

Yeah, okay, a little over the top.