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I think I would feel a LOT more sympathetic & charitable towards "The Poor" if 1/2-2/3 of everything I have/had/made wasn't basically confiscated to do my "fair share" of taking care of them...
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This is so not the case. Take the time to research where your monies really goes. Please.
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And it doesn't seem to ever have done any good...They're still poor.
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The few programs we have have been very very helpful.
I just cannot understand supporting the wealthy and hating the poor. It just amazes me.
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09-27-2009, 07:00 AM
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Come on people, while I was still working total income was in six figures and tax never was as great as 1/3 of that. We are among the least taxed people in the world and our infrastructure shows it. Some people would kick if they were playing football.
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09-27-2009, 07:31 AM
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I'm taxed when I make it, I'm taxed when I spend it. The state taxes the taxes I paid to the Feds. I pay taxes for services that I do not use. People get back more on a tax return than they paid in, because they have children they cannot afford. It will be taxed again when I die and leave it to somebody (I got a plan to fool them there, won't be any left ).
I'm sure it is just capitalist rhetoric that the average person works thru May to pay their taxes.
If you are late, you pay interest though when they give you your own money back, (that they have borrowed for a few months) there is no interest,hmmm.
It would take a tractor-trailer to move a single copy of the tax code, and I'm supposed to think that I am not over taxed. Hard, very hard to accept.
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09-27-2009, 09:43 AM
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Thats the truth...
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(I got a plan to fool them there, won't be any left ).
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The government will make sure of that. Banks have been sending information on reverse mortgages to SSI reciipients...where do they get their information? Makes you wonder doesn't it?
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09-27-2009, 09:51 AM
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Of coarse...it just came to ME!!! Why direct deposit of SSI! Of coarse the government already knows your bank information. Hummmmmm and they own banks.... I better watch what i say...I might be accused of watching Beck...Heh..
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09-27-2009, 10:30 AM
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Of coarse...it just came to ME!!! Why direct deposit of SSI! ..
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It is real simple and has pissed me off for years. Banks lobbied for this and it was sold as a convenience to the recipient. The real convenience is to the banks who make money off of you and your check.
This btw is a republican move.
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09-27-2009, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by spasmo55
I'm taxed when I make it, I'm taxed when I spend it. The state taxes the taxes I paid to the Feds. I pay taxes for services that I do not use. People get back more on a tax return than they paid in, because they have children they cannot afford. It will be taxed again when I die and leave it to somebody (I got a plan to fool them there, won't be any left ).
I'm sure it is just capitalist rhetoric that the average person works thru May to pay their taxes.
If you are late, you pay interest though when they give you your own money back, (that they have borrowed for a few months) there is no interest,hmmm.
It would take a tractor-trailer to move a single copy of the tax code, and I'm supposed to think that I am not over taxed. Hard, very hard to accept.
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Bingo, buddy ! When my granmother passed in 2002 at 104, there was a "substantial" estate...By the time the Infernal Rip-You-Off Servitute boys got done w/us, they'd got 78% of it...We had enuff left to pay the lawyers, the women that stayed w/her 24/7 for the last 18 months of her life, & that was it. When you have an estate of somewhere between $1 million to about $5 million or so, which is where I think this was, the tax code's set up to Rip You A New One...And yes, ALL my gran's estate had been taxed at the full amount all along, its not like we were tax cheats or anything...Where's the "fairness" in that ?!? I got her house, which I subsequently sold, & was told I was lucky I didn't have to pay taxes on THAT...I mean, I'm no lawyer or accountant, my granparents worked hard all their lives, scrimped & saved, never doling much of it out, played by the rules, & we still got zapped...
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09-27-2009, 12:23 PM
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Bingo, buddy ! When my granmother passed in 2002 at 104, there was a "substantial" estate...By the time the Infernal Rip-You-Off Servitute boys got done w/us, they'd got 78% of it...We had enuff left to pay the lawyers, the women that stayed w/her 24/7 for the last 18 months of her life, & that was it. When you have an estate of somewhere between $1 million to about $5 million or so, which is where I think this was, the tax code's set up to Rip You A New One...And yes, ALL my gran's estate had been taxed at the full amount all along, its not like we were tax cheats or anything...Where's the "fairness" in that ?!? I got her house, which I subsequently sold, & was told I was lucky I didn't have to pay taxes on THAT...I mean, I'm no lawyer or accountant, my granparents worked hard all their lives, scrimped & saved, never doling much of it out, played by the rules, & we still got zapped...
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Come on Sandy, yer just pissed that the Infernal Revenuoors won't let ya set up a still, but they wanna tax yeu iffin' yeu do.
Reckon life just ain't fair. Then they move the goalposts.
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09-27-2009, 12:47 PM
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This was a "Perfect Storm"...My dad & uncle tried hard to talk her into putting her money into things that the tax man wouldn't eat up quite so badly, but she was an EXTREMELY suspicious type, & wouldn't hear of it. She & my granfather lost everything-not that they had that much-in '29, & I think they never trusted banks, stockbrokers, etc after that. She & Fritz never really enjoyed any of their wealth, they had the mindset all their lives that they were one step away from being in "The Poorhouse", & the only ones that got any benefit from their penurious ways was the IRS. She gave Fritz a sandwich to eat at work every day,wrapped up in tinfoil, which he was supposed to flatten out, carefully fold up, & take back home so she could use again the next day...I'd say, "Grandaddy, let me go clean that up for you..." & I'd take it & toss it, & make up some story about how I'd torn it up or something. Got more than one Arse-Eatin' over Wasting that Tinfoil...
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09-27-2009, 03:13 PM
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This was a "Perfect Storm"...My dad & uncle tried hard to talk her into putting her money into things that the tax man wouldn't eat up quite so badly, but she was an EXTREMELY suspicious type, & wouldn't hear of it. She & my granfather lost everything-not that they had that much-in '29, & I think they never trusted banks, stockbrokers, etc after that. She & Fritz never really enjoyed any of their wealth, they had the mindset all their lives that they were one step away from being in "The Poorhouse", & the only ones that got any benefit from their penurious ways was the IRS. She gave Fritz a sandwich to eat at work every day,wrapped up in tinfoil, which he was supposed to flatten out, carefully fold up, & take back home so she could use again the next day...I'd say, "Grandaddy, let me go clean that up for you..." & I'd take it & toss it, & make up some story about how I'd torn it up or something. Got more than one Arse-Eatin' over Wasting that Tinfoil...
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Seems to be two schools of thought on this, the live rich and die poor crowd, or the you can never have enough stock in the pantry crowd.
I pretty much fall into the stock in the pantry crowd. Don't get me wrong, if I want to do something, I do it. But the older I get, the more my idea of a good time is taking a nap in the afternoon.
And being debt free with money in the bank makes that nap not only possible, but more enjoyable. Didn't live through the depression, but I've been dirt poor, in debt, with maybe 10 bucks to my name. Boo and hiss!!!
Now the thoughts of the gubbmitt coming along and stealing what I have left, provided I don't hire an accountant and a lawyer to set things up right makes my blood boil.
As I've grown to understand, we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system...do not confuse the two.
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