Finland experiment: Basic income for the unemployed.

[Oerets]

I believe the birthrate is fine, just is some (thinking Eugenics) perceive for the wrong crowd.

The world is vastly overpopulated and with fewer and fewer resources and employment opportunities a day of reckoning will soon be here.

Barney

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Oerets

I believe the birthrate is fine, just is some (thinking Eugenics) perceive for the wrong crowd.

The world is vastly overpopulated and with fewer and fewer resources and employment opportunities a day of reckoning will soon be here.

Barney

Overpopulation? Africa, Australia, North and South America, Russia and Central Asia.

[donquixote99]

It's completely true that there's no problem here, except if one is concerned for some certain 'favorite group.' Such groups are quasi-biological, but their importance is totally emotional.

[barbara]

After reading this thread, particularly the part about reproduction, I thought I'd offer a few random thoughts from a female point of view.

Someone noted earlier that women are waiting until they are older to have children. I think that was true years ago when there were no laws to protect a woman's job during pregnancy. I don't think it is so true anymore.

There was discussion regarding incentives for not getting pregnant (to keep population down) as opposed to penalties. I don't think incentives or penalties will have much impact in the majority of the population. Just my opinion....

[donquixote99]

We are brainstorming without a lot of data here. Women's average age at first childbirth ought to be something on which data is available....

Here's the first thing that comes up on Google:

Average Age Of First-Time Moms Keeps Climbing In The U.S.

It's hard to argue that the thing they say is driving the number is a bad thing:

The main force pulling the average age to the older end of the spectrum is a decrease in the number of teen moms, the researchers say. Over the past 15 years, the proportion of first-time mothers younger than 20 years old dropped from 23 percent to 13 percent.

[CarlV]

At least in Finland abortions are legal and free and none of the garbage from extremists trying to control women.


Carl

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by CarlV

At least in Finland abortions are legal and free and none of the garbage from extremists trying to control women.


Carl

Finland does shit right.

The US should emulate them.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Finland does shit right.

The US should emulate them.

And you believe that Trump will even come close to that?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

And you believe that Trump will even come close to that?

I've heard that good chess players are always thinking five moves ahead.

That's what I am doing.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I've heard that good chess players are always thinking five moves ahead.

That's what I am doing.

That's a dodge. You know that you are supporting a politician that will try to move us as far away from the Finland model as he possibly can.