1.4 Million Out Of Work American Workers Are A Political Football?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Or, some folks who are sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone else to making things happen go out and make it happen for themselves?

Or maybe a little of both?

Because no one goes out looking for a job just because they have an irrepressible urge to make someone else rich. A fact some people in our generation seem to have lost sight of.

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JJIII

I doubt that you have lost anything, but has the industry (or any occupation) changed?

John I was an educator of software engineers and at times a technical writer, as well since the vast majority of industrial changes get ample press keeping up is really not difficult.

I really chuckle at the conceit of many people in industry about the vast changes they are making. All you need to do to prove that many of these 'improvements' are illusory is install the latest version of Window.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

For your consideration.http://www.econ.ucla.edu/tvwachter/p...ages_paper.pdf

Of course being unemployed affects re-employmant wages. When you have three people applying for the same job the prospective employer is goind to offer a low salary because he/she knows the applicants are hungry. But that is solely due to greed and not any loss of ability on the part of the applicants.

One thing that I never understood about employers here is the reluctance to offer training. You have aan employee who is a known quantity, give them training and they become more valuable. Bell gave me all the training I coukl absorb and in the process identified my talents as an instructor. As a result when I rose to second level management I developed many good employees for them, so there was payback.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Or, some folks who are sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone else to making things happen go out and make it happen for themselves?

Right, so when do you think all those CEOs are going to get the finger out?

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by merrylander

John I was an educator of software engineers and at times a technical writer, as well since the vast majority of industrial changes get ample press keeping up is really not difficult.

I really chuckle at the conceit of many people in industry about the vast changes they are making. All you need to do to prove that many of these 'improvements' are illusory is install the latest version of Window.

I can't argue with that!

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by whell

That, of course, denies over 200 years of history. But hey, you're on a roll.

You're the one that is denying history.

The last 40 years of right wing trickle down economics policies have been one of the biggest failures in the history of mankind.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by whell

Or, some folks who are sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone else to making things happen go out and make it happen for themselves?

There are a handful of them, which the paid right wing shills aggressively ferret out and repeat those examples over and over and over in the media in order to try to create the illusion that "They are all like that".

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Of course being unemployed affects re-employmant wages. When you have three people applying for the same job the prospective employer is goind to offer a low salary because he/she knows the applicants are hungry. But that is solely due to greed and not any loss of ability on the part of the applicants.

One thing that I never understood about employers here is the reluctance to offer training. You have aan employee who is a known quantity, give them training and they become more valuable. Bell gave me all the training I coukl absorb and in the process identified my talents as an instructor. As a result when I rose to second level management I developed many good employees for them, so there was payback.

I've had employers tell me they don't want to spend money on formal traing because, "We pay for someones education, then they leave to go work for someone else. We're not paying to educate our competitors employees."

Which, if you think that through, it boils down to greed too. The reason the educated employee leaves, is because the employer offers little or no financial reward at the finish of training........but the competitor does. Funny, how such free market principles are so precious to them.....so long as it works in their favor. If it doesn't, they'd rather have ignorant employees than pay out the money. Which, of course, costs them more in the long run.

And, I fail to see how that's the employees fault. Or anybodys fault but management, for that matter.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Whell, we should just have the Feds hire anyone out of work. Presto, full employment!

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

There are a handful of them, which the paid right wing shills aggressively ferret out and repeat those examples over and over and over in the media in order to try to create the illusion that "They are all like that".

Like including military/government retirees, the elderly on SS and Medicare and the legitimately disabled in the 47% as if they are all "Cadillac Driving Welfare Queens"?

Dave