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Old 08-16-2017, 10:29 AM
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No, he's comparing neo-Nazis to Nazis.
Not with that choice of words, he's not. Unless its a mis-attribution.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:30 AM
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Most of those guys long to commit genocide. They are a danger. Their memes can spread, and authoritarians in the police and military are susceptible.

If the police and military acquiesce, they can forcibly take power. They are seeking to make that happen.
So, you advocate vigilantism as a solution?! Wow.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:35 AM
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So, you advocate vigilantism as a solution?! Wow.
Whether you have the capacity to understand it or not, a lot of people are very upset about having a White Nationalist/Nazi-Sympathizer as president and a neo-Nazi as his chief policy advisor. Some people are funny that way.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:37 AM
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Let me start by saying that I am in no way a Trump supporter or apologist.

I woke to see the Baltimore story this morning. What is happening is SO very American- this erasure out of existence of anything or anyone who colored history regardless of their positive contributions. This is so very Soviet!

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We can talk about Lee's personality and history in endless detail, but the main thing is he was the Confederate commander, a key figure in the rebellion that defended slavery. Your cry that there is some 'erasure out of existence' is a gross exaggeration. Lee will exist in history, as he should. But according him a central place of prominence and honor in our cities was a frank exercise in white supremacy--tangible symbolism that such supremacy continued, despite the outcome of the civil war. That symbolism is now being terminated, as it should be. Sorry if it upsets you for some reason.

ON EDIT: I acknowledge your second post, which says rightly that such symbolism 'must go.'
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:38 AM
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No, not being an apologist. However, I think its worth pointing out we're going to condemn violence by one group, we have to condemn it by any other group. Its called consistency.

The alternative looks like this:

We appropriately condemn the violence of the neo-Nazi crowd in VA. We inappropriately excuse the violence of the Antifa / BLM crowd in VA. The result is tacit approval of vigilantism in pursuit of punishing those who engage in racism. As abhorrent as racism is, I don't think anyone wants to condone vigilantism.
By giving us your alternative you've reinforced my point which you may have missed, but I don't think so.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:41 AM
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You are certainly aware that Trump has the godfather of the Alt-Right movement as a Chief Strategist? Bannon helped Trump try to craft a message that would (just barely) appease the establishment Republicans and the nation at large (fail) while maintaining a hold of the Alt-Right (neo-Nazi) segment of his base (success). Are you OK with a president who goes out of his way to maintain neo-Nazis within his (shrinking) base of support (and therefore refuses to fire Bannon despite Bannon's efforts to viciously undercut McMaster)?

I've wondered what it would take for Trump apologists such as yourself to abandon or condemn their Dear Leader. Apparently, providing moral support to Neo-Nazis and domestic terrorists doesn't cross your red line. If you want a look at what Trump describes as "nice people" on Friday night in Charlottesville, I recommend taking about 20 minutes to watch the peace-loving kindred spirits you and Trump are providing cover for. IMO, this should be essential viewing for anyone who still supports Trump.

https://youtu.be/P54sP0Nlngg
This is the same video I have also recommended, with times called-out for the revealing utterances of certain individuals.
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:50 AM
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So, you advocate vigilantism as a solution?! Wow.
Where'd you get that from what DQ's posted?
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Old 08-16-2017, 10:57 AM
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This is the same video I have also recommended, with times called-out for the revealing utterances of certain individuals.
I get the feeling that if Donald Trump had been there with a Tiki torch and a Nazi armband, there would be plenty of people who would still support him with some sort of ridiculous projection - "What about Obama? He was a community organizer!"
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:00 AM
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I get the feeling that if Donald Trump had been there with a Tiki torch and a Nazi armband, there would be plenty of people who would still support him with some sort of ridiculous projection - "What about Obama? He was a community organizer!"
In this case what they say isn't what they mean.
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:08 AM
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So, you advocate vigilantism as a solution?! Wow.
John Kasich has an answer for you.

"Pathetic. Just pathetic, isn't it? This is terrible. The president of the United States needs to condemn these kinds of hate groups. The president has to totally condemn this. It's not about winning an argument."
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