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05-18-2012, 12:48 PM
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Drop George Zimmerman’s Murder Charge
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05-18-2012, 01:41 PM
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I have said from the beginning that Zimmerman is not guilty of murder under the law.
"A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force."
So according to this article he has no "stand your ground" protection. I think we all agree on this.
The next consideration is, did he have reason to fear for his life?
Maybe but (and this is a very big but) he caused the situation that may have caused him to fear for his life.
I have no clue how the law handles this but common sense makes this an open and shut case.
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05-18-2012, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by noonereal
I have said from the beginning that Zimmerman is not guilty of murder under the law.
"A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force."
So according to this article he has no "stand your ground" protection. I think we all agree on this.
The next consideration is, did he have reason to fear for his life?
Maybe but (and this is a very big but) he caused the situation that may have caused him to fear for his life.
I have no clue how the law handles this but common sense makes this an open and shut case.
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Documents released yesterday say that He did not follow Martin after the police operator told him not to. To me, that is huge.
I notice the main stream media doesn't want to talk about this.
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05-18-2012, 01:53 PM
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Documents released yesterday say that He did not follow Martin after the police operator told him not to. To me, that is huge.
I notice the main stream media doesn't want to talk about this.
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05-18-2012, 02:07 PM
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Documents released yesterday say that He did not follow Martin after the police operator told him not to. To me, that is huge.
I notice the main stream media doesn't want to talk about this.
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I heard the opposite yesterday. Even the police report says that Zimmerman caused the confrontation by not listening to the police who told him not to continue stalking the kid.
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05-18-2012, 02:45 PM
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I heard the opposite yesterday. Even the police report says that Zimmerman caused the confrontation by not listening to the police who told him not to continue stalking the kid.
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What the hell does the dispatcher's opinion matter in the case? Stalking is a stretch. You wouldn't watch someone unfamiliar if you lived in a gated community? Doesn't our benevolent government want us to watch and report suspicious actions to presumably curtail terrorist acts? You do not, and no one but Zimmerman, know whether he followed simply because Trayvon was black. Furthermore, If the black community wants blacks to be viewed as being less criminal; perhaps, blacks ought refrain from committing crimes disproportionate to their fraction of the populace. I know the reasons for the black population's higher crime rate is disputable, but the numbers, saliently black on black crime, is not.
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05-18-2012, 03:20 PM
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What the hell does the dispatcher's opinion matter in the case? Stalking is a stretch. You wouldn't watch someone unfamiliar if you lived in a gated community? Doesn't our benevolent government want us to watch and report suspicious actions to presumably curtail terrorist acts? You do not, and no one but Zimmerman, know whether he followed simply because Trayvon was black. Furthermore, If the black community wants blacks to be viewed as being less criminal; perhaps, blacks ought refrain from committing crimes disproportionate to their fraction of the populace. I know the reasons for the black population's higher crime rate is disputable, but the numbers, saliently black on black crime, is not.
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So are you saying that George was a victim of justified systemic societal racism. That young black men should be required to prove their innocents of any intended wrong doing to any member of society at any time (not sure how they could do this) or run the risk of being murdered?
Hint: Racism is such that few overtly target a person just for skin color. It is generally far more insidious.
Your answer is interesting however. Just leave the burden to the group to prove their innocence rather than accept people as unique individuals worth of respect by birth. Until the black population can statistically prove that they as a group are as docile as white folk we should be able to murder their children at will. To be honest, I never heard anyone suggest anything like this before.
Let me ask you a question, are you a raciest?
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05-18-2012, 01:59 PM
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There's still more to come so who knows. I don't see where a concerned citizen watching someone a'la block watch voids anything though.
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05-18-2012, 02:05 PM
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There's still more to come so who knows. I don't see where a concerned citizen watching someone a'la block watch voids anything though.
Pete
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I have got to be honest. Posts like this infuriate me.
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05-18-2012, 03:05 PM
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I have got to be honest. Posts like this infuriate me.
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If I see someone acting in what I consider to be a suspicious nature, I watch them. I've always thought it was the right thing to do.
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