Political Forums  

Go Back   Political Forums > Politics

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #51  
Old 01-17-2018, 08:28 AM
finnbow's Avatar
finnbow finnbow is offline
Reformed Know-Nothing
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MoCo, MD
Posts: 21,912
And now we have Trump's DHS Secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen (of obvious Scandinavian lineage and a graduate of Georgetown's School of Foreign Service) claiming that she doesn't know that Norway is a predominately white country (in an effort to provide cover for Trump's racist remark). She's either profoundly incompetent or lying through her teeth.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...are-white.html

Between Cotton and Perdue willingness to lie for Trump, we now have a cabinet secretary doing the same thing (or too ignorant to know that Norwegians (and people like herself) are white).
__________________
As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden.

Last edited by finnbow; 01-17-2018 at 08:30 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 01-17-2018, 08:36 AM
Chicks Chicks is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,238
“He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.”

Martin Luther King Jr.

Trump’s enablers will pay the price, eventually.
__________________
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -
George Orwell
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 01-17-2018, 08:40 AM
finnbow's Avatar
finnbow finnbow is offline
Reformed Know-Nothing
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MoCo, MD
Posts: 21,912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicks View Post
Trump’s enablers will pay the price, eventually.
Bigly.
__________________
As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 01-17-2018, 10:25 AM
whell's Avatar
whell whell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 11,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by finnbow View Post
It's racist, immoral, unconstitutional and anathema to the American ideal.
What "American ideal" would that be? The idea of a workforce where labor rates are artificially tamped down by artificially increasing supply? The ideal that there's no rule of law - including immigration law - and laws are meant to be twisted or ignored for political expediency? The idea that we should break the social safety net for citizens, and drive up costs, at the expense of illegal immigrants?

There are social and economic costs to this, as this Californian - who calls himself a liberal - points out:

•Competition for affordable housing: 1.5 million Californians pay more than half their income for housing, a result of overcrowding.

•More than 20 million tons of greenhouse gases are added each year by undocumented residents. California’s annual per-capita carbon dioxide production is 10 metric tons/per person.

•Competition for low-wage jobs is increased. Middle-income employers can pay lower wages.

•Allowing illegal immigrants to live and drive contributes to wasted time in traffic and greenhouse gas production.

•English language learners in the classroom lower academic performance by diverting limited educational resources. California has almost 1.4 million English language learners, and has the highest student/teacher ratio of all the large states. California scores lower than average for the nation in reading, mathematics and science.


Sure, you can also say that there's an economic benefit to these individuals who contribute as workers. But it doesn't wash. Data shows that revenues don't offset costs - not by a long shot - when factoring in uncompensated medical care, cost of education, and cost of incarceration. What American ideal or moral imperative is supported by the idea that citizens must run up debt to accommodate individuals who are in the country illegally?

I know you desperately want to talk about perceived, or alleged "racism" rather than this, but at the end of the day your allegation, and that of your advocates in the political class, that immigration reform is "racist" is far more harmful.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 01-17-2018, 10:26 AM
whell's Avatar
whell whell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 11,281
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicks View Post

Trump’s enablers will pay the price, eventually.
Everyone is already "paying the price": billions per year.
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 01-17-2018, 10:52 AM
finnbow's Avatar
finnbow finnbow is offline
Reformed Know-Nothing
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MoCo, MD
Posts: 21,912
Quote:
Originally Posted by whell View Post
What "American ideal" would that be? The idea of a workforce where labor rates are artificially tamped down by artificially increasing supply? The ideal that there's no rule of law - including immigration law - and laws are meant to be twisted or ignored for political expediency? The idea that we should break the social safety net for citizens, and drive up costs, at the expense of illegal immigrants?
That all men are created equal (regardless of skin color). In the words of MLK that men are judged not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character. Even you Trump sycophants should know that.

BTW, the shithole meeting was not about illegal immigration. It was rules/conditions for legal immigration.
__________________
As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden.

Last edited by finnbow; 01-17-2018 at 10:55 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 01-17-2018, 12:29 PM
Chicks Chicks is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,238
Quote:
Originally Posted by whell View Post
Everyone is already "paying the price": billions per year.
No doubt. The shift of the tax burden away from corporations and the 1% will cost us billions per year. We haven’t produced enough kids to pay the enormous upcoming costs of Medicare and Social Security, so essential to retiring boomers, most of whom haven’t saved enough. Immigrants are absolutely required to make up the difference. Along with far higher taxes on the 1%.
__________________
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -
George Orwell
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 02-13-2018, 11:26 PM
bobabode's Avatar
bobabode bobabode is online now
Admin
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain in California
Posts: 33,053
"Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, said on Tuesday that he had paid $130,000 out of his own pocket to a pornographic-film actress who had once claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump.
In the most detailed explanation of the 2016 payment made to the actress, Stephanie Clifford, Mr. Cohen, who worked as a counsel to the Trump Organization for more than a decade, said he was not reimbursed for the payment.
“Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly,” Mr. Cohen said in a statement to The New York Times. “The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone.”
He declined to answer several follow-up questions, including whether Mr. Trump had been aware that Mr. Cohen made the payment, why he made the payment or whether he had made similar payments to other people over the years.
Mr. Cohen has previously said that Mr. Trump has denied an affair with Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels. She has said the affair took place soon after Mr. Trump’s wife, Melania, gave birth to the couple’s son, Barron." NY Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/u...T.nav=top-news

The latest 'doesn't pass the sniff test' out of the Trump crime family consigliere.
__________________
“Never fight with a pig. You’ll just get dirty and the pig likes it."
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 02-14-2018, 07:43 AM
finnbow's Avatar
finnbow finnbow is offline
Reformed Know-Nothing
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MoCo, MD
Posts: 21,912
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobabode View Post
The latest 'doesn't pass the sniff test' out of the Trump crime family consigliere.
No, it doesn't. It's all about trying to avoid criminal charges for a campaign finance crime.
__________________
As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden.
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 02-14-2018, 07:49 AM
Oerets's Avatar
Oerets Oerets is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Derby City U.S.A.
Posts: 5,051
All this proves, the average Republican voter is as gullible as the party leaders believe them to be. Feed them a story no matter how outlandish it may be in order for them to be distracted long enough from the truth. Till the next news flash is there to distract.



Barney
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:42 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.