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11-22-2012, 03:45 PM
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Thanksgiving is not a Christian holiday in the USA
In fact it is a secular observance of the generosity that the Native Americans showed to the Puritans who were starvin'. Thanks to the Natives they survived and proceeded to do their best to wipe their benefactors out. Shameful acts that our country has yet to atone for and to make amends.
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11-22-2012, 03:59 PM
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Bet if they could go back and redo things, they'd let the bastards starve!
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11-22-2012, 04:37 PM
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Bet if they could go back and redo things, they'd let the bastards starve!
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Oh, we'd have -- eventually -- screwed this place up ourselves.
You know where the bulk of that whole "Constitution thing" came from, right?
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11-22-2012, 05:06 PM
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Not a religious holiday, not a political holiday. And as a nation we show some grace. My favorite holiday. The turkey is good too.
If the holiday did not exist and if a democratic congress raised the idea of it and tried to create it what would have happened?
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11-22-2012, 05:49 PM
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Oh, we'd have -- eventually -- screwed this place up ourselves.
You know where the bulk of that whole "Constitution thing" came from, right?
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Algonquins, Mohawks, Cherokees-if IIRC, the Sioux weren't consulted . I could be all wet as we started with the Chardonnay and I'm eyeing that bottle of Jim Beam right now.
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11-22-2012, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeke
Oh, we'd have -- eventually -- screwed this place up ourselves.
You know where the bulk of that whole "Constitution thing" came from, right?
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The Iroquois Confederacy. And, yes, the Amerindian people had their share of problems like hunting the horse and the mammoth to extinction but they had a cultural reverence for nature that's totally missing in white Eurocentric cultures.
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11-22-2012, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Boreas
The Iroquois Confederacy. And, yes, the Amerindian people had their share of problems like hunting the horse and the mammoth to extinction but they had a cultural reverence for nature that's totally missing in white Eurocentric cultures.
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White eurocentric culture very much had a cultural reverence for nature at 3000 or 4000 BC, e.g. cave paintings. The institution of law and the advancement of agriculture killed it.
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11-22-2012, 07:23 PM
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White eurocentric culture very much had a cultural reverence for nature at 3000 or 4000 BC, e.g. cave paintings. The institution of law and the advancement of agriculture killed it.
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You're right and I knew I'd made a mistake after I posted. I think, however, that the rise of agriculture and later of cities (law) aren't what changed things. There were civilizations that practiced agriculture and had laws, even a written language that still revered and attempted to preserve nature because they literally worshiped it. The Mayans are a good example.
No, it wasn't Europeans or Eurocentrism that did it. It was monotheism. The great monotheistic Abrahamic religions pretty thoroughly wiped out all the other advanced animist and pagan religions and replaced them with a big sky god that told the people that the earth was theirs to do with as they pleased. What ultimately happened to the earth was of secondary importance because the only real purpose of their lives here was to be as obedient to the sky god as they possibly could in order to join the party up there when it was all over here.
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11-23-2012, 01:09 AM
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There are some folks who maintain part was European.
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