2nd Amendment "Fraud"

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The present doesn't last forever....

Pete

Originally Posted by icenine

hmm yes it does if you think about it

And the future never comes.

John

[finnbow]

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Or get really nasty - tubes vs solid state



I recall being taught that the argument against the Bill of Rights was, they'd be considered the ONLY rights. Why does the word presentiment spring to mind? They did understand government gathers power unto itself.

According to the militia acts posted here we should all have automatic assault rifles at home as a matter of course.

Pete

And, they would still be no more useful than a security blanket. It's not 1793 anymore.

Regards,
Dave

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by icenine

Locke idea's is only valid in political science survey courses and philosophy. You cannot apply them to our nation today...this is the real world, and in the late 18th century his ideas had to be adapted to the real world at the time.

See how well John Locke's ideas are working out in Egypt.....

out government is not tyrannical

boy I am sounding conservative....

And that would be to centralize power for the benefit of what were then elites. My rather simple point is that freedom and restraint can not be brought about by command and have any chance of surviving long term. BTW, this feels like the liberal idealist argument prevalent in the 1960s? Interestingly, now that those idealists have the reins of power, they're just as power grubbing as the right wrt command and control of their fellow citizens.

Locke is much more complex that the oft quoted social contract theory snippets favored by both the left and the right IMHO. In fact, I feel that "An Essay Concerning Human Understanding" ought be studied before the "Two Treatises." All of this revolves around the nature of the self, free will, and choice theory. I suppose in Political Economy, we'd try to design a system that maximizes choice and free will while minimizing any hindrance caused by government since the government is at best only an adjunct to the individuals.

[icenine]

Bro the 60s were 50 years ago so any liberals old enough then to have been influential are dead or close to it. Obama, you and I were products mostly of the 80s....so I do not see any sort of 60s countercultural bent to the current Democratic majority or Obama himself.

i know you do not like government but for some reason I feel you are close to it in your working life since you said you saw a drone close to your office (or former office)...hmmmm
maybe your a government man like me....
remember our government allows individuals to flourish in a nice regulated society

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Boreas

The Constitution gives the Supreme Court no power to determine the constitutionality of US law. This is a right which the Supreme Court arrogated unto itself in Marbury v. Madison. Under the Constitution they're just the "court of last resort" in the US.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

John

And a most beautiful case it is. Long live John Marshall! A classical fork maneuvre. The left sure did like the Warren Court and its activist rulings. Christ, I even miss some of those justices and their opinions.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

Luck's a chance and trouble's sure.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bhunter

And a most beautiful case it is. Long live John Marshall! A classical fork maneuvre. The left sure did like the Warren Court and its activist rulings. Christ, I even miss some of those justices and their opinions.

The fact that you like things this way changes nothing. The truth remains that, ever since Marbury, the Supreme Court has been operating beyond its constitutional mandate.

John