VP of Pfizer arrested after document dump

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by bobabode

1223 dead from the Pfizer vaccine? Seems like this should be frontpage news everywhere.

Yes then maybe ppl wouldnt be trying to force us all to get this garbage!!

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Yes then maybe ppl wouldnt be trying to force us all to get this garbage!!

So you want made-up disinformation to be front page news?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Yes then maybe ppl wouldnt be trying to force us all to get this garbage!!

Are you saying that the vaccine is garbage?

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Are you saying that the vaccine is garbage?

1) The OP story is a satirical piece. It's not "disinformation" and it's not "fake news" as that term is currently used. Some of the stories in the Vancouver Times are funny when viewed as straight satire. This one, not so much.

2) The vaccine is not garbage. It was, however, oversold in terms of what it could and could not do.

I have one daughter with Asthma and my oldest was born with Down Syndrome. Both would be at heightened risk if infected, so we all got vaxxed because originally the vaccine was said to reduce the risk of infection AND transmission.

Subsequent studies, i,e,. Lancet October 2021, found little if any difference between the transmission rates of vaxxed versus non-vaxxed populations. This may have been due to the difference between the alpha and delta COVID variants, but some of the "fact-checking" sites were still quoting sources saying that transmission rates were reduced by getting vaxxed.

Still, it was/is worthwhile to get vaxxed to reduce the likelihood of contracting COVID.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

1) ... we all got vaxxed because originally the vaccine was said to reduce the risk of infection AND transmission.

Not true. Its clinical trials did not test for transmission and Pfizer never said it did. It was tested to see if it was safe and if it prevented disease (and it is and does) and that's what Pfizer said. This latest meme is yet another tempest in a teapot that just popped up in the last couple of weeks in the wingnut echo chamber.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ne-trial-noth/

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not true.
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ne-trial-noth/

Reasonable clarification of an important point.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not true. Its clinical trials did not test for transmission and Pfizer never said it did. It was tested to see if it was safe and if it prevented disease (and it is and does) and that's what Pfizer said. This latest meme is yet another tempest in a teapot that just popped up in the last couple of weeks in the wingnut echo chamber.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ne-trial-noth/

Yes, the fact checkers are running around lately with this info. But a year or more ago, claims of the vax reducing transmission were all the rage:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

And here a fact checker is debunking a claim that the vax doesn't reduce transmission, beccause "healthcare experts" say that it does:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/6403678001/

"This is false information," Akiko Iwasaki, a professor of immunobiology and molecular, cellular and developmental biology at Yale University, said in an email. "Vaccines provide significant protection from 'getting it' – infection – and 'spreading it' – transmission – even against the delta variant."

Back then, this was one of a number of claims about COVID that the so-called experts got wrong. And when people did ask legit questions, people like you were right there to shout them down. Sometimes asking questions get the facts to come out eventually. I know that's troubling for you to hear, but it's true.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, the fact checkers are running around lately with this info. But a year or more ago, claims of the vax reducing transmission were all the rage:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

And here a fact checker is debunking a claim that the vax doesn't reduce transmission, beccause "healthcare experts" say that it does:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/6403678001/

"This is false information," Akiko Iwasaki, a professor of immunobiology and molecular, cellular and developmental biology at Yale University, said in an email. "Vaccines provide significant protection from 'getting it' – infection – and 'spreading it' – transmission – even against the delta variant."

Back then, this was one of a number of claims about COVID that the so-called experts got wrong. And when people did ask legit questions, people like you were right there to shout them down. Sometimes asking questions get the facts to come out eventually. I know that's troubling for you to hear, but it's true.

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer or the FDA, the only experts involved in the clinical trials and licensing of these vaccines. Lots of people, even so-called "experts", said a lot of things including COVID could be cured by drinking bleach, sticking a lightbulb up your ass, taking Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine or that the vaccine had a microchip in it.

And yes, this did blow up in the wingnut echo chamber just 2 weeks ago and was dutifully parroted by you.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer or the FDA, the only experts involved in the clinical trials and licensing of these vaccines. Lots of people, even so-called "experts", said a lot of things including COVID could be cured by drinking bleach, sticking a lightbulb up your ass, taking Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine or that the vaccine had a microchip in it.

And yes, this did blow up in the wingnut echo chamber just 2 weeks ago and was dutifully parroted by you.

Not one of these statements came from Pfizer, right. Nor did Pfizer do anything to correct the narrative when Fauci and company were calling vaxxed folks a "dead end" for the virus. The narrative may not have come from Pfizer, but it did come from the government's COVID point man. Maybe Fauci should have advocated sticking a light bulb up the ass?

“So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said.

“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that’s when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community.”

So, you're blaming the "wingnut fringe" for precisely what, here? Folks who questioned the official narrative were lambasted by the media, and people like you. The media and folks like you were calling them "anti-vaxers" for asking legit questions when the official narrative didn't seem to add up. Now that Pfizer is coming forward, a year and a half later, and saying "golly, we never said that", that's supposed to make up months and months of silence when the Fauci's of the world were getting it wrong? And the folks who are pointing the fact that this has been the official narrative all along are still to be chastised?

Apparently if you're a leftist, you really think you can have it both ways.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Yes then maybe ppl wouldnt be trying to force us all to get this garbage!!

You couldn't have read and understood the posts refuting the insane ones posts and then posted what you did unless you're an anti-vaxxer troll.