Ukraine Heats Up

[Bocas]

It will be interesting to see how the people vote of the 16th.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...um-date-n45686

"Crimean Parliament Votes to Join Russia, Sets Referendum Date
Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days on the decision in a dramatic escalation of the crisis over the Ukrainian Black Sea peninsula.

The sudden acceleration of moves to formally bring Crimea, which has an ethnic Russian majority and has effectively been seized by Russian forces, under Moscow's rule came as European Union leaders gathered for an emergency summit to seek ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation.

The Crimean parliament voted unanimously "to enter into the Russian Federation with the rights of a subject of the Russian Federation." Its vice premier said a referendum on the status would take place on March 16.

The announcements, which diplomats said could not have been made without Russian President Vladimir Putin's approval, raised the stakes in the most serious east-west confrontation since the end of the Cold War.

E.U. leaders had been set to warn but not sanction Russia over its military intervention in Ukraine after Moscow rebuffed Western diplomatic efforts to persuade it to pull forces in Crimea back to their bases. It was not immediately clear what impact the Crimean moves would have.

- Reuters"

[Oerets]

Gonna play out just like Russo-Georgian war!



Barney

[piece-itpete]

Nixon and Kissinger were responsible for LBJs war. Right.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I hesitate to play devils advocate, but;

If we had a military base on an island, (Isthmus?), wherein we regarded 60% of the citizens of said island as Americans and someone began menacing those citizens with anti-American rhetoric...............

What do you suppose we would do?

Dave

Cuba. Keep it but don't annex the country.

The onion is the bomb I hope they do an article on Putins nervous breakdown.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Nixon and Kissinger were responsible for LBJs war. Right.



Cuba. Keep it but don't annex the country.

The onion is the bomb I hope they do an article on Putins nervous breakdown.

Pete

And, if the Cubans decide Gitmo belongs to them, because it was Cuban before it was American? And threaten to simply throw us out and take it?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And, if the Cubans decide Gitmo belongs to them, because it was Cuban before it was American? And threaten to simply throw us out and take it?

Hey, I just thought of something. Guantanamo is ours under the terms of am open-ended lease, right? That means we pay rent to Castro, right? Aren't we breaking our own embargo?

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Hey, I just thought of something. Guantanamo is ours under the terms of am open-ended lease, right? That means we pay rent to Castro, right? Aren't we breaking our own embargo?

John

Hmmmm.............

Good question.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

That's the thing, Russia has its' base. They can obviously keep it without taking everything else.

Pete

[Bocas]

It is a bit ironic that the "acting president" who took the country without a vote now says Crimea cant secede Ukraine without a national vote.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ament-declares

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Bocas

It is a bit ironic that the "acting president" who took the country without a vote now says Crimea cant secede Ukraine without a national vote.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ament-declares

It's no more ironic that Putin negotiating conditions for the withdrawal of his troops from Ukraine while insisting he has none there.

Or how about Putin writing in the NYTimes "We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not." And then he blatantly disregards the Budapest Memorandum.

[Bocas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It's no more ironic that Putin negotiating conditions for the withdrawal of his troops from Ukraine while insisting he has none there.

Or how about Putin writing in the NYTimes "We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not." And then he blatantly disregards the Budapest Memorandum.

Yes they are all the same. I didn't see the article about him negotiating a withdraw. Do you have that?
The Budapest Memorandum actually would require the US, Russia or France to step in when the illegitimate government over threw the democratically elected government.
"The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity"