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07-04-2012, 02:38 PM
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Even if it IS BS, and the political arguments nothing but "nudging",......Where is the harm in reducing emissions, Jack? I'll have a look through the constitution again. But, I'm pretty sure I won't find any articles protecting anyones "God given" right to pollute and litter with wreckless abandon............
Dave
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07-04-2012, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlV
This is the second year in a row it is not overcast on the 4th, 'spose it is about 60 degrees or so right now.
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As you know, San Francisco is its own micro-climate. Up here, about 30 miles from the Golden Gate, it's clear, sunny and pushing 80 degrees, which is pretty normal for July 4th.
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07-04-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HatchetJack
Thirty years ago people feared of an ice age because the climate was cooling.
The poles have been tropical on at least two occasions, maybe we are headed
that way now? Who knows? I could not give a shit either way. Nothing you or
I can do to stop it.
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Heard of continental drift? The poles haven't been tropical for a billion years or so unless you're talking up the hollow earth theory. .
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07-04-2012, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bobabode
The poles haven't been tropical for a billion years or so....
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What you don't know, Jack, is why that's so. The poles didn't get warmer. They moved. You can see it in the igneous rock in the earth's crust where the trace iron in them is oriented away from where the poles are now and toward where they were when the rock cooled. So, when Antarctica was temperate it wasn't at the South Pole at all.
This lesson is for free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Wandering
So, what are your feelings on the subject of the Loch Ness Monster being proof that dinosaurs and man lived on Earth at the same time? If you lived in Louisiana your hard earned, begrudgingly surrendered, tax dollars would be going toward paying for that to be taught in the classroom.
John
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07-04-2012, 03:38 PM
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I'd say the disagreement is not about global warming but rather what causes it.
I'm with you Dave, lowering emissions is a great plan but "carbon credits" is nothing more than a screw job.
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07-04-2012, 03:50 PM
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Except for that hockey stick graph showing the CO2 levels corresponding to high temp records. There is a steady amount of global warming trending since the last ice age but the amount of humans adding to it is pretty plain to almost every climatologist. For the wingnuts to bithely claim that the industrial era emissions have little to nothing to it is what their favorite campaign contributors want them to say. They've gotta protect that holy profit line for their sugardaddies. It doesn't take a tinfoil hat to see that. It is once again a steaming pile of false equivalence. I'm sure Whellie will confirm.
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07-04-2012, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rex E.
I'd say the disagreement is not about global warming but rather what causes it.
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No, there are plenty on the right who pooh-pooh the very existence of global warming. Plenty. Take James Inhofe, the Ranking Member and former Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works.
Those few on the right who acknowledge the truth of global warming say that, though it exists, the causes are natural, not man-made, and outside our control. Some even say that global warming is beneficial!
" They call it pollution. We call it life." (Tagline from a commercial, paid for by the Competitive Enterprise Institute and claiming that greenhouse gasses, largely CO2, are good.)
John
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07-04-2012, 05:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HatchetJack
Nothing you or
I can do to stop it.
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Nonsense Jack.
It won't be in our lifetime but mark my words we will create a climate on a planet in the future. Fixing one here would be a good start towards it.
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07-04-2012, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by merrylander
If it blows through your neighbourhood like it did here you might change your mind.
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Never.
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07-04-2012, 06:09 PM
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Never.
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Gotta give it to ya DJ you are consistent. Glad to hear you all got some rain.
Have good Fourth of July, man.
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