The term "Native American" is wrong and dishonest

[Reason10]

Let me count the ways:

1. The many Indian tribes emigrated from Asia. They were not "native" to this land.

2. At the time the settlers colonized this place, it was known only as the New World. The term "America" comes from an Italian sea explorer "Amerigo Vespucci." The United States did not even exist at the time. So it is idiotic to refer to either Indians or Americans as all immigrants. Colonists and Indians came here before immigration law was written.

3. It is okay to call them Indians. In fact, they prefer it. The myth of Columbus allegedly seeking India is just that, a myth. At the time of Columbus's journey, the country known today as India was called Hindustan. The term Indian actually comes from Columbus's inability to speak good Spanish at the time he landed in what would now be called the West Indies. He referred to these people as "Una Gente in Dios." A people in God. In Dios. Indians.

4. When you consider what America did to the Indians, (kill 20 or so million of them, destroy five hundred separate cultures, herd the survivors onto the worst land we can find) why in the name of Zeus's BUTTHOLE would they want to name themselves after the country that did this? "Native Americans."

[donquixote99]

What is racist and dishonest is you trying to tell another collective what to call themselves. There's not much in a name, actually, but there's a lot in who gets to pin a label on who. You have no standing to bitch here. They are under no obligation to make their name conform to your squirrely logic.

[Noogies]

And that's that!

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Reason10

Let me count the ways:

That you're a troll?

Or is there something else I am supposed to glean?

[bobabode]

Floriduh Man speaks.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Floriduh Man speaks.

It has been sorta' boring around here without someone of the troll persuasion around

[UncleAng]

Originally Posted by Reason10

Let me count the ways:

You're trying too hard. In Canada they're called 'First Nations'.. is that more apropos?

[Reason10]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

What is racist and dishonest is you trying to tell another collective what to call themselves. There's not much in a name, actually, but there's a lot in who gets to pin a label on who. You have no standing to bitch here. They are under no obligation to make their name conform to your squirrely logic.

Very simply, pretty much they claim to be is a lie. That's the dishonest part. Native Americans? That's a lie. Lying is a form of dishonesty.

By trying to move beyond what they are is racist. They are not a separate race from other Americans. They may be a separate culture, but not a separate race. As far as having standing to bitch here, you need to look up the term "bitch," at least the colloquial form which I'm assuming you're using. I'm discussing an issue, not necessarily complaining about it.

As far as standing goes, the FIRST AMENDMENT pretty much settled the argument a couple of centuries ago.

And someone who hates the Republican party with such a passion really has no room to talk, when it comes to squirrely logic. The Republican Party freed the black slaves, get them and women the right to vote, and gave America the greatest economies in history.

Just remember, Jim Crow is YOUR side of the aisle, not mine.

[Reason10]

Originally Posted by Noogies

And that's that!

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[Reason10]

Originally Posted by Zeke

That you're a troll?

Or is there something else I am supposed to glean?

I'm just like you. Here to discuss political issues. I'm no different. If there's something you do not like about my views, that doesn't automatically earn a troll label.

You have to learn that not everybody thinks like you, and they aren't all trolls.

I gave logical, reasoned opinions about Native Americans. You have to deal with them. This isn't a safe space.