FAKE NEWS EXPOSED: A Service of PoliticalChat.com

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The difference between these outlets and Faux News (and their wingnut brethren) is that these outlets do indeed provide their slant on the news whereas the wingnut infotainment complex makes shit up out of whole cloth (e.g., Seth Rich, Stop the Steal, Sandy Hook & Parkland crisis actors, Dominion Voting Systems, Vote-Stealing satellites and thermostats ...) while defending/parroting the biggest liar ever known in American public life. IOW, the WaPost and NYTimes do not equal Breitbart and The Epoch Times just as CNN does not equal OANN, NewsMax or Faux News.

If you want to argue "degrees of bias", you're welcome to do that. Regarding your claim that "WaPost and NYTimes do not equal Breitbart and The Epoch Times", WaPO and NY Times offer themselves up as unbiased news sources reporting straight news. Most folks don't really believe that, and those outlets only have themselves to blame. More research on that from Pew here: https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444.

As far as your claim that "the wingnut infotainment complex makes shit up out of whole cloth (e.g., Seth Rich, Stop the Steal, Sandy Hook & Parkland crisis actors, Dominion Voting Systems, ..."), you're missing a few. Nick Sandmann, Brett Kavanaugh, the 2020 riots were mostly peaceful, the discovery of Hunter Biden’s laptop was a Russian plot, Trump was a Russian asset, Trump and Alfa Bank, etc.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

As far as your claim that "the wingnut infotainment complex makes shit up out of whole cloth (e.g., Seth Rich, Stop the Steal, Sandy Hook & Parkland crisis actors, Dominion Voting Systems, ..."), you're missing a few. Nick Sandmann, Brett Kavanaugh, the 2020 riots were mostly peaceful, the discovery of Hunter Biden’s laptop was a Russian plot, Trump was a Russian asset, Trump and Alfa Bank, etc.

Nicholas Sandmann’s libel lawsuits against ABC, CBS, Gannett, the New York Times, and Rolling Stone have been dismissed by a federal judge.

The FBI investigation of Kavanaugh was deliberately curtailed by Trump's DOJ.

Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful

More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

Trump showed his fealty to Putin in Helsinki.

The FBI did indeed have concerns about the Alpha Bank/Trump connection and the Alfa Bank results “have been validated and are reproducible. The findings of the researchers were true then and remain true today.

In summary, all of your examples off "Fake News" end up being valid reporting on actual events of public interest. OTOH, your beloved Wingnut News reporting on Seth Rich, Sandy Hook, Dominion/SmartMatic and other election lies were indeed lies from the very start and were not reporting on actual events, but deliberately contrived lies. The fact that you assert that all of these news stories are equivalently and deliberately fake reflects your indoctrination in the wingnut mantra that all news but wingnut news is fake.

In short, the MSM tries to get its reporting right and sometimes fails, but then corrects or retracts. Wingnut news, OTOH, makes shit up from whole cloth and doubles down when called out on it. They are not equivalent.

[RickeyM]

Whell must believe members here have not with their own eyes seen the outright lies broadcast on FAUX. Faux being the only one I can refer to since seeing them perform leaves me no desire to dive deeper down the rabbit hole. Seeing how so thoroughly indoctrinated people become by Reich-Wing media it's easy to understand why they believe every thing else is fake news. That's what they've been told by no less than their dear leader.

[finnbow]

Here's an example of how truthful Wingnut Media is. Here is the judge in Alex Jones' penalty hearing today responding to Alex Jones on the stand:

"Mr. Jones, you may not say to this jury that you complied with discovery. That is not true. You may not say it again. You may not tell this jury that you are bankrupt. That is also not true. You are already under oath to tell the truth. You've already violated that oath twice today, in just those two examples. It seems absurd to instruct you again that you must tell the truth while you testify, yet here I am again. This is not your show."

The judge asks Jones if he understands what she said.

Jones says he doesn't believe he was being dishonest.

"You believe everything you say is true, but it isn't," she says, noting "beliefs don't make something true."

Keep in mind that Donald Trump, the initiator of the "fake news" moniker (and the inspiration for Whell starting this thread), said publicly to Alex Jones "Your reputation is amazing."

[Chicks]

Poor Whell get bludgeoned half to death in every idiotic thread he starts, but he keeps coming back for more!

Facts? He don't need no stinkin' facts!

[Chicks]

Jan. 6 text messages wiped from phones of key Trump Pentagon officials

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/polit...xts/index.html

Hey, Whell!

Is this or is this not VERY IMPORTANT reporting!? Why do you think the phones of these traitorous bastards were wiped clean? Do you think they might have something to hide about that day, when your "heroes" were engaged in an attempt to overthrow the government? Do we not have a right to know? Isn't there a law, Mr. "law and order", requiring these records to be archived?

Just asking questions...

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Poor Whell get bludgeoned half to death in every idiotic thread he starts, but he keeps coming back for more!

Facts? He don't need no stinkin' facts!

Gotta hand it to him. Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. For a wingnut, he's fairly articulate, if often misinformed, though misinformation is the coin of the realm in MAGAWorld (as my Hokie classmate, Steve Bannon, has said "flood the zone with shit."

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Jan. 6 text messages wiped from phones of key Trump Pentagon officials

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/polit...xts/index.html

Hey, Whell!

Is this or is this not VERY IMPORTANT reporting!? Why do you think the phones of these traitorous bastards were wiped clean? Do you think they might have something to hide about that day, when your "heroes" were engaged in an attempt to overthrow the government? Do we not have a right to know? Isn't there a law, Mr. "law and order", requiring these records to be archived?

Just asking questions...

But, but her emails ...

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Nicholas Sandmann’s libel lawsuits against ABC, CBS, Gannett, the New York Times, and Rolling Stone have been dismissed by a federal judge.

The FBI investigation of Kavanaugh was deliberately curtailed by Trump's DOJ.

Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful

More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

Trump showed his fealty to Putin in Helsinki.

The FBI did indeed have concerns about the Alpha Bank/Trump connection and the Alfa Bank results “have been validated and are reproducible. The findings of the researchers were true then and remain true today.

In summary, all of your examples off "Fake News" end up being valid reporting on actual events of public interest. OTOH, your beloved Wingnut News reporting on Seth Rich, Sandy Hook, Dominion/SmartMatic and other election lies were indeed lies from the very start and were not reporting on actual events, but deliberately contrived lies. The fact that you assert that all of these news stories are equivalently and deliberately fake reflects your indoctrination in the wingnut mantra that all news but wingnut news is fake.

In short, the MSM tries to get its reporting right and sometimes fails, but then corrects or retracts. Wingnut news, OTOH, makes shit up from whole cloth and doubles down when called out on it. They are not equivalent.

You're arguing points that I'm not making. For example:

Do you deny that the initial reporting on Sandmann painted him as the instigator in the confrontation with the native American? It was absolutely reported that way.

You posted a link to an article where you state Trump's DOJ curtailed the Kavanaugh investigation. However, the article you linked to makes no such statement.

Apparently in your world, protests that result in dozens killed or injured and billions of dollars in property damage are "mostly peaceful". Sorry, not buying the spin.

Yes, the FBI found 50 useful idiots to sign on to a statement that says stories about Hunter B's laptop look like Russian disinformation....before the 2020 election. That statement has since been discredited. The Feds are now reportedly close to making a decision about bringing charges against Hunter B.

I could go on, but it gets tiresome helping you keep your facts straight.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Jan. 6 text messages wiped from phones of key Trump Pentagon officials

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/polit...xts/index.html

Hey, Whell!

Is this or is this not VERY IMPORTANT reporting!? Why do you think the phones of these traitorous bastards were wiped clean? Do you think they might have something to hide about that day, when your "heroes" were engaged in an attempt to overthrow the government? Do we not have a right to know? Isn't there a law, Mr. "law and order", requiring these records to be archived?

Just asking questions...

Did you read the CNN story you linked to? It states that there is no indication that the "traitorous bastards" wiped the phones prior to turning them in. So, until the full story about these phones and texts is fully known, I have no idea if the story is important.

See, the difference between you and me is: I don't reflexively assume intentional wrongdoing when reading a story like this. You apparently do. I don't dispute the reporting about "wiped" phones. However:

I believe the practice the that the story refers to is wiping data from the phone's SIM card. While the Feds may have a process for archiving this data before wiping, it's common for companies to wipe the SIM cards of company owned devices before redeploying them or selling them. Same goes for PC's and laptops. It could just be a case of human error that someone wiped the SIM cards on the phones before the data was archived.

Besides, if the devices were wiped, the timeline suggests that they were wiped after Biden's inauguration. Trump's crew was gone by then.