Welfare Capitalism

[merrylander]

Me against Chuck Koch is not what I would call a level playing field as regards money being speech.

[piece-itpete]

Not the business made of employees, but the corporation made up of shareholders.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Not the business made of employees, but the corporation made up of shareholders.

Pete

Where does the money come from, Pete? The employees are not part of the organization? Managers and shareholders generate all of that revenue on their own with help from no one?

On which planet does this fantasy take place?

Furthermore, your post exposes the root of many of our problems today, IMO.

The only folks that matter are the managers and shareholders, the rest of us are just parasites, feeding off of them?
That's the attitude that needs to go, IMHO.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

On which planet does this fantasy take place?

Furthermore, your post exposes the root of many of our problems today, IMO.

The only folks that matter are the managers and shareholders, the rest of us are just parasites, feeding off of them?
That's the attitude that needs to go, IMHO.

No one said that employees do not matter, but the corporation exists for the shareholders and not the employees. The employees contract their labor to the employer. I liken it to, say, leasing a piece of machinery. I know it sounds callous. This doesn't mean that employees are not valuable or have an inherent worth beyond their capacity to provide labor, but it does mean that their interests are not as important to the corporation as the interests of the shareholders.

It must also be pointed out that our higher standard of living has been brought about by the corporate structure and its concomitant increase in efficiency. Corparations do indeed have divergent and often competing interests, thus, as Obama's campaign has demonstrated, there will be plenty of competition with corporations participating in elections.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Of course, that's not my argument, and not what I'm saying. I think you know that.

Pete

Originally Posted by bhunter

No one said that employees do not matter, but the corporation exists for the shareholders and not the employees. The employees contract their labor to the employer. I liken it to, say, leasing a piece of machinery. I know it sounds callous. This doesn't mean that employees are not valuable or have an inherent worth beyond their capacity to provide labor, but it does mean that their interests are not as important to the corporation as the interests of the shareholders.

It must also be pointed out that our higher standard of living has been brought about by the corporate structure and its concomitant increase in efficiency. Corparations do indeed have divergent and often competing interests, thus, as Obama's campaign has demonstrated, there will be plenty of competition with corporations participating in elections.

And that needs to change. You honstly don't see where likening people to "...a piece of machinery" might lead to problems? Did you read any of what I posted here. It already has. We've been here before. The reaction to "Welfare Capitalism" was not just unfavorable, it was violent.

In my opinion, "Citizens Untited" is antithetical to a free society. It is further consolidation of power into the hands of moneyed interests rather than the will of the common populace. It subjugates the common folk to the will of corporate bosses and their shareholders.

One man, one vote. Any other path leads to tyranny.

Dave

[Charles]

Damn, this is just like watching All Star Wrasslin'.

What we need it a digital version of the folding chair so that we can bash one another in the head.

In the meantime, our esteemed leaders will be down in the locker room having a drink and splitting up the money.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Bugger off. I was getting all deep-n-intellectual-n-shit. Then you had to come along and ruin the mood.

[merrylander]

What amazes me is how the righties are only too willing to sell themselves into economic slavery, it is completely astounding.

[merrylander]

Pete, you are fond of quoting Thomas Jefferson, I trust that you realize that the Citize.s United decision has him spinning in his grave.

http://soundingcircle.com/newslog2.p...195-000205.htm

For one so fond of history you have a few blind spots.

[piece-itpete]

LMAO! Where's that chair?

You take away from one part, they end up coming after you too. Our esteemed founders understood this - as much as some things sound wonderful and great, no one is worthy of the power, certainly not a faceless bureaucracy.

Pete