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03-08-2015, 04:56 PM
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...and away we go.
I've always wondered why the NRA only quotes half of 2nd amendment.
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Because nobody knows what the fuck the first half has to do with the second half.
I mean seriously, it's like they just put two unrelated phrases together.
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03-08-2015, 04:59 PM
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Because nobody knows what the fuck the first half has to do with the second half.
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I do. See posts #6 & #9.
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03-08-2015, 05:07 PM
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I do. See posts #6 & #9.
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I don't see it.
I think the wording sucks.
It's like something out of Alice and Wonderland.
`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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03-08-2015, 06:01 PM
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Because nobody knows what the fuck the first half has to do with the second half.
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What TF is wrong with you TJ? Of course John knows. Said so himself...he knows exactly what was and was not the founder's intent. Reckon it was either time travel, mediumship skills, or he's actually 250 years old.
Maybe he can clue us all in regarding what the founder's intent was, or was not, regarding the slavery they chose ignore and to leave in place when they wrote the Constitution. Now that's something I'd really like to know. And...it's bugged historians and social scientists for at least a couple hundred years...and here we've had the answer available all along, we just never knew which pompous ass to ask.
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03-08-2015, 06:05 PM
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What TF is wrong with you TJ? Of course John knows. Said so himself...he knows exactly what was and was not the founder's intent. Reckon it was either time travel, mediumship skills, or he's actually 250 years old.
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Am I wrong? If so, please straighten me out if you can.
The Founders' intent is clear from their writings. You don't have to have been there with them as long as your reading and comprehension skills are sufficient.
Which means, I suppose, that you would have had to have been there.
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03-08-2015, 06:17 PM
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Am I wrong? If so, please straighten me out if you can.
The Founders' intent is clear from their writings. You don't have to have been there with them as long as your reading and comprehension skills are sufficient.
Which means, I suppose, that you would have had to have been there.
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Know what?
I don't care what their intent was.
That was then, this is now.
Trying to live by a document that was written 240 years ago is like trying to tool down the New Jersey Turnpike in a horse drawn cart. Those people lived in a completely different world than we do. This whole Constitution thing is in need of a serious update.
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03-09-2015, 04:29 PM
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Know what?
I don't care what their intent was.
That was then, this is now.
Trying to live by a document that was written 240 years ago is like trying to tool down the New Jersey Turnpike in a horse drawn cart. Those people lived in a completely different world than we do. This whole Constitution thing is in need of a serious update.
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No it doesn't. The constitution is fine just as it is. Trying to say it reads like Olde English from the 14 century is disingenuous at best. Essential freedoms do not change. Sure we can add more essential freedoms, but trying to remove them (Like repealing the second amendment). No thanks.
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03-09-2015, 04:33 PM
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No it doesn't. The constitution is fine just as it is. Trying to say it reads like Olde English from the 14 century is disingenuous at best. Essential freedoms do not change. Sure we can add more essential freedoms, but trying to remove them (Like repealing the second amendment). No thanks.
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What do you like about the 2nd. Amendment?
John
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03-09-2015, 04:52 PM
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What do you like about the 2nd. Amendment?
John
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The right to carry guns for defense.
I lived in the UK for the first 24 years of my life, where you know you're very unlikely to be shot. You are however more likely to get into a fist fight or be stabbed. I'd rather have the freedom along with its downsides than the lack of it with its upsides.
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03-09-2015, 05:00 PM
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Trying to say it reads like Olde English from the 14 century is disingenuous at best.
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What's disingenuous is coming onto an internet forum with a right wing agenda so obvious it could be seen from space while claiming to be a "liberal".
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