18 and Dead.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Shove an *officer,* and what you have coming is instant death?

You sure about that?

I thought the *officer* was a government employees in a democracy, not a samurai noble in medieval Japan or something.

If you shove an officer back into his own cruiser whilst in the middle of being interacted with due to a legal infraction?

"YES."

That's well within the law.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If you shove an officer back into his own cruiser whilst in the middle of being interacted with due to a legal infraction?

"YES."

That's well within the law.

I suppose looking sideways at a cop is a death sentence too.....

after all, walking in the street and selling loose cigarettes are justification for a death sentence...right?

Why not just abandon our judicial system and let the cops be judge, jury and executioner. They sorta do it all now anyway don't they?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Why not just abandon our judicial system and let the cops be judge, jury and executioner?

If you threaten bodily harm to an officer? That's what things -- rightfully -- become.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If you threaten bodily harm to an officer? That's what things -- rightfully -- become.

I think the cop should get back as good as they give. They be rude assholes, they deserve the same back.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If you shove an officer back into his own cruiser whilst in the middle of being interacted with due to a legal infraction?

"YES."

That's well within the law.

If you end up shooting someone for the "legal infraction" of obstructing traffic you have a problem. And from the reaction of the community over this incident it is obvious that law enforcement has a serious problem here. People don't just go off like that for nothing. It's obvious to me that there has been an ongoing pattern of the Police abusing their authority for quite some time.

If I was Chief of Police I would fire every officer that has worked in this community for the past year. Then I would give them the opportunity to apply for their old positions with their rehiring subject to approval from a committee of citizens of that community.

Any positions left unfilled would be filled with new hires which would also be subject to approval by the same committee.

After that every officers periodic performance review would also be subject to review and approval by the same committee.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

If you end up shooting someone for the "legal infraction" of obstructing traffic you have a problem.

You are seriously having issues with logic today, aren't you?

Nobody got shot for walking in the street. Apparently, somebody got shot for assaulting an officer who has every right to tell you NOT to.

That's a minority kid acting out from a grotesque bastardization of generational rage turned entitlement.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Nobody got shot for walking in the street.

That's what he was doing when the cops "encountered" him.

A pretty Goddamned minor offense if you ask me.

I'm not double deadlocking all my doors and sleeping with a pistol under my pillow out of fear that some kid is out in the street blocking traffic.

The way I see it, it's the cops responsibility to handle that type of situation without it escalating into a shooting. Don't they get training for that? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

That's what he was doing when the cops "encountered" him.

That's NOT what he was doing when he got shot...

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

That's NOT what he was doing when he got shot...

I know.

You don't want to assign any responsibility to the officer for mishandling the situation in a manner that caused it to escalate out of control.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I know.

You don't want to assign any responsibility to the officer for mishandling the situation in a manner that caused it to escalate out of control.

Which is yet another uneducated presumption on the part of someone who has -- presumably -- never actually been involved in such a situation.

If you're looking to blame the officer, ask what (if anything) was in his hands when he exited the vehicle. Then, ask what was in his hands when he was forced back into it.

That's NOT the officer's fault.