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06-08-2018, 05:01 PM
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There you go, putting words in my mouth, and completely missing the point again. Sigh. No wonder you’re a Trumpie, you just don’t get much of anything.
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Apparently you don't even "get" the essential elements (or absence of) of the NYT story that you posted.
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06-08-2018, 05:33 PM
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Apparently you don't even "get" the essential elements (or absence of) of the NYT story that you posted.
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You don’t ever bother to think, you just react. You’re exactly like Donny. What an idiot.
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06-08-2018, 09:05 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...2b1_story.html
Other presidents have understood that the United States has gained, disproportionately, from a system in which it helps keep the peace without keeping crabbed accounts on its national ledger. Mr. Trump sees his duty as the issuance of ill-defined demands for “fairness” on countries that, if they so chose, could tick off their own long lists of U.S. economic practices that do not please every single one of their domestic constituencies. Mr. Trump’s bone of contention, Canada’s admittedly unwise and protectionist dairy “supply management” policy, illustrates the point, since the United States also has elaborate programs to prop up its dairy farmers, to protect sugar planters, and so on.
Meanwhile, Mr. Trump remains indefatigably conciliatory toward Russia, which he proposed to readmit to the G-7. This is consistent with his admiration for strongman rule and with his transactional, amoral notion of relations with other countries, but it would contradict punishments that Western countries, including the United States, have just imposed for Russia’s unconscionable assassination attempt in Britain. And it would reward Moscow at a time when its interference in the 2016 election remains unresolved.
“We have a world to run” was Mr. Trump’s justification — which will come as a surprise to countries that have not agreed to be “run” by him, or Russia, or the other G-7 members, for that matter. If it is the United States’ portion, in partnership with other peer nations, to lead, that imposes a responsibility to do so in more than its own narrow self-interest.
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06-08-2018, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Not to mention a large Mercedes plant near Tuscaloosa, AL and a VW plant in Chattanooga. Somehow I'm starting to think Lying Donnie Dotard isn't a stable genius.
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In addition, many Japanese vehicles are manufactured here and the Japanese actually have some relatively high trade barriers. Der Trumpenfuhrer will find it hard to resist a two front trade war.
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06-08-2018, 09:24 PM
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So, what's the answer then? We put a 2.5% import tax on vehicles imported into the US that are manufactured overseas. Compare that, for example, to the 10% that is applied to vehicle imports in Germany. Its OK for Germany to apply taxes to protect its auto manufacturing, but not OK for the US to protect its interests in a similar manner?
For the record, I don't agree that imposing / increasing tariffs are the answer. I think no tariffs imposed by any country is the right answer, but I don' think that's a realistic scenario. I also don't think T-TIP was the right answer either, and T-TIP was made less relevant with the future of the EU in question.
However, encapsulating trade in the political process gets pretty ugly. The closer we can get to free trade without gov't interference - which results in special interests being well served but creates havoc elsewhere - is the best bet. Will it ever happen? Skeptical.
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Good point in your first paragraph.
Regarding free trade. Countries want free trade for products/commodities where they have an economic advantage. When the opposite condition exists not so much.
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06-08-2018, 09:42 PM
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Match % tariff's on high ticket items would be a fair way to go about it, especially cars and other high $ items.
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06-08-2018, 10:00 PM
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The exception being audio equipment.
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06-09-2018, 09:27 AM
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The exception being audio equipment.
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No exception!
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06-09-2018, 04:45 PM
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Canada’s Trudeau rips Trump over tariffs
These world leaders won’t be fooled by Donny’s “deal making”. They know he’s a con man. Too bad Donny’s sycophants are too stupid to realize the same.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...2b1_story.html
there were numerous signs here that leaders of other countries stood their ground, having stiffened after months of attacks and insults. Each country now faces crucial decisions about how to proceed. If they do not back down and Trump does try to stop — or at least slow — the flow of trade, it could impact the flow of hundreds of billions of dollars in goods, potentially impacting millions of jobs in the United States and around the world.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sharply criticized Trump’s tariffs and promised Canada would answer with its own on July 1 unless the United States reversed course.
“I highlighted directly to the president that Canadians did not take it lightly that the United States has moved forward with significant tariffs on our steel and aluminum industry,” he said at a conference at the meeting’s end. “Particularly, [they] did not take lightly that it’s for a national security reason that for Canadians … who stood shoulder to shoulder with American soldiers in far off lands in conflicts from the first World War onwards, it’s kind of insulting.”
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06-09-2018, 05:16 PM
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Mr T has turned the Republican Party from the Grand Ole Party to the Banana Corrupblican Party. (BCP)
Not to be confused with BPC. (Black Plastic Crap)
Both should be avoided at all costs.
Barney
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