Netanyahu Israeli Summer

[Dondilion]

It seems that Netanyahu while feeding the ultra right and the ultra rich has forgotten the middle.

http:http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Ar...aspx?id=231803

[diamondsoul]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

It seems that Netanyahu while feeding the ultra right and the ultra rich has forgotten the middle.

http:http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Ar...aspx?id=231803

Middle was never in his vocabulary, his roots are with his dad in the Stern Gang (Lehi) and Irgun whose "Active Defense" policy was:

The actions of the Haganah alone will never be a true victory. If the goal of the war is to break the will of the enemy – and this cannot be attained without destroying his spirit – clearly we cannot be satisfied with solely defensive operations... Such a method of defense, that allows the enemy to attack at will, to reorganize and attack again... and does not intend to remove the enemy's ability to attack a second time – is called passive defense, and ends in downfall and destruction... whoever does not wish to be beaten has no choice but to attack. The fighting side, that does not intend to oppress but to save its liberty and honor, he too has only one way available – the way of attack. Defensiveness by way of offensiveness, in order to deprive the enemy the option of attacking, is called active defense.

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The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party.[4] Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

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Through the efforts of the terrorist groups Lehi and Irgun was the state of Israel created. Through similar terrorist tactics is it maintained.

Cheers

Lar

[BlueStreak]

Irgun. Didn't those guys blow up a British Hotel or bakery, or something, killing a bunch of innocent people back in the '40s?

Funny how they're "patriots" and "freedom fighters" when they're on our side, but "terrorists" and "murderers" when they belong to someone else.................

Just an observation.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Sure did. And here it is. Guess I should have read the entire article first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing

Dave

[diamondsoul]

"Funny how they're "patriots" and "freedom fighters" when they're on our side, but "terrorists" and "murderers" when the belong to someone else................."

Yep. Lehi and Irgun were also jointly involved in the Deir Yassin massacre when many Palestinian women and children were killed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Yep they were/are terrorists.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by diamondsoul

"Funny how they're "patriots" and "freedom fighters" when they're on our side, but "terrorists" and "murderers" when the belong to someone else................."

Yep. Lehi and Irgun were also jointly involved in the Deir Yassin massacre when many Palestinian women and children were killed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Yep they were/are terrorists.

And later the legitimate Israeli government hunted down Irgun and executed many of them. There were massacres on the Arab side as well, as the wise man said "you are entitled to your opinion but not to your facts."

[diamondsoul]

"The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party.[4] Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members

Menachem Begin, first Likud Prime Minister of Israel, was a commander of Irgun and didn't get hunted down, executed, arrested or anything. In fact he's considered to be somewhat a hero as are all those Irgun terrorists who were involved in the bombing of the King David Hotel, an act of terrorism that has been an example for many subsequent terrorist groups.

The Brits did raise a stink though when the Israeli government wanted to put up a plaque commemorating the heroic act of terrorism that Irgun had committed when it killed 91 innocent people in the bombing:

In 2006, Simon McDonald, the British ambassador in Tel Aviv, and John Jenkins, the Consul-General in Jerusalem, wrote in response to a pro-Irgun commemoration of the King David Hotel bombing: "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated." They also called for the removal of plaques at the site which presented as a fact that the deaths were due to the British ignoring warning calls. The plaques, in their original version, read:

"Warning phone calls had been made urging the hotel’s occupants to leave immediately. For reasons known only to the British the hotel was not evacuated and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded, and to the Irgun’s regret and dismay 91 persons were killed."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle690085.ece

[merrylander]

It was also the British that stopped any emigration to Israel during WW II in fact few countries welcomed Jewish immigrants from Europe.

When the Irgun under Begin attemped to bring in arms and ammunition Ben Gurion ordered the ship blown up, many of the Irgun were killled in the firefight.

[diamondsoul]

Yep, and Canada wasn't a bright light by any means:

"In 1935, King’s government appointed Frederick Charles Blair, an outspoken anti-Semite, director of the Immigration Branch of the Department of Mines and Resources. And as director of immigration, he set the policy of who got into Canada.[12] His views are expressed In a letter to a strong opponent of Jewish immigration: "I suggested recently to three Jewish gentlemen with whom I am well acquainted, but it might be a very good thing if they would call a conference and have a day of humiliation and prayer, which might profitably be extended for a week or more, where they would honestly try to answer the question of why they are so unpopular almost everywhere...I often think that instead of persecution it would be far better if we more often told them frankly why many of them are unpopular. If they would divest themselves of certain of their habits I am sure they could be just as popular in Canada as our Scandinavian friends are."

By 1938, as anti-Semitism came to a boil in Germany; Canada began to actively restrict Jewish immigration.[citation needed] Blair raised the amount of money immigrants had to possess to come to Canada from $5,000 to $15,000. As well, they had to be farmers, although most were coming from cities."

"Through government inaction and Blair’s bureaucratic anti-Semitism, Canada emerged from the war with one of the worst records of Jewish refugee resettlement in the world. Between 1933 and 1939, Canada accepted only 4,000 of the 800,000 Jews who had escaped from Nazi-controlled Europe.[10]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...281939-1945.29

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IMHO though the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine was a huge mistake. Had a neutral country with similarities to Switzerland been created the problems in that area of the world would be far less today. A country where all it's citizens are fully equal regardless of their religion. Unfortunately Israel is not such a country.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by diamondsoul

IMHO though the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine was a huge mistake. Had a neutral country with similarities to Switzerland been created the problems in that area of the world would be far less today. A country where all it's citizens are fully equal regardless of their religion. Unfortunately Israel is not such a country.

It started out to be a neutral state, the Jewish people bought the land from the Arabs, no force was involved. I am very much afraid that both Balfour and some Arabs upset the apple cart. Then the retaliation started and after the Holocaust the Jews were in no mood to be pushed around. Then Iran and Syria* got their fingers into it and that was when it hit the fan.

* The Golan Heights were originally to be part of the 'homeland' but Balfour gave them to Syria - go figure.