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08-22-2017, 10:13 AM
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They aren't for very much expanding, I don't think. The Generals are fine with having Afghanistan as a place to go get a ticket punch. This is mostly all Trump talk, 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'
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It is like North Korea. There is no simple answer.
Supposedly the Taliban is joining with Isis.
So, if you get them out of Iraq and they just regroup in Afghanistan do you just have a continuous training ground for the Caliphate ?
Some thinking is that the young terrorist are inspired by the thought of a Muslim controlled world and as long as they have some territory to claim it is incentive. And, if you can destroy that you destroy the incentive.
Nation building at this point would be like doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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08-22-2017, 10:15 AM
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You're so deep.
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08-22-2017, 10:17 AM
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You're so deep.
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And, you are pretty much of a moron.
Can you say "would you like cheese with that ?"
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08-22-2017, 10:21 AM
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It is like North Korea. There is no simple answer.
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Odd. For years, and on the campaign trail, your idiot Dear Leader had simple (simplistic) answers for both. You supported the ass, and yet you now say there are no simple answers. I'd feel pretty stupid right now if I were you (which, thankfully, I'm not).
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08-22-2017, 10:24 AM
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Odd. For years, and on the campaign trail, your idiot Dear Leader had simple (simplistic) answers for both. You supported the ass, and yet you now say there are no simple answers. I'd feel pretty stupid right now if I were you (which, thankfully, I'm not).
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Maybe, and some on the right look at it that way. But, could be that the generals who have worked through several administrations and aren't particularly partisan changed his mind.
People who won't and can't change their minds are the really stupid ones.
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08-22-2017, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk
It is like North Korea. There is no simple answer.
Supposedly the Taliban is joining with Isis.
So, if you get them out of Iraq and they just regroup in Afghanistan do you just have a continuous training ground for the Caliphate ?
Some thinking is that the young terrorist are inspired by the thought of a Muslim controlled world and as long as they have some territory to claim it is incentive. And, if you can destroy that you destroy the incentive.
Nation building at this point would be like doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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Instead of 'different results,' seems what is actually expected is continued stalemate. Which, as you suggest, is viewed as better than ceding a nation to the Taliban/Isis.
The French solution to a similar problem was to recruit the Foreign Legion, a naked exercise in substituting foreigners for Frenchmen in the continuing 'low-level' bloodletting.
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08-22-2017, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk
It is like North Korea. There is no simple answer.
Supposedly the Taliban is joining with Isis.
So, if you get them out of Iraq and they just regroup in Afghanistan do you just have a continuous training ground for the Caliphate ?
Some thinking is that the young terrorist are inspired by the thought of a Muslim controlled world and as long as they have some territory to claim it is incentive. And, if you can destroy that you destroy the incentive.
Nation building at this point would be like doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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Why wouldn't Afghanistan turn out to be another Iraq? If that part of the world want to regress into an Islamic abyss, why try and stop them? That religion and the people who adhere so fervently have to decide for themselves to come out of the dark ages. We will otherwise be gift wrapping another country for Iran to adopt while not without having to pay the bill. That money could be better spent here.
Amazing, we have no money for healthcare yet have $1.4 Trillion to burn in Iraq and now more in Afghanistan.
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08-22-2017, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
Instead of 'different results,' seems what is actually expected is continued stalemate. Which, as you suggest, is viewed as better than ceding a nation to the Taliban/Isis.
The French solution to a similar problem was to recruit the Foreign Legion, a naked exercise in substituting foreigners for Frenchmen in the continuing 'low-level' bloodletting.
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Recall reading over the weekend that Eric (Blackwater guy & Betsy DeVos's brother) is making pitch for a mercenary staffed private army to fight in Afghanistan and for now the generals are opposed to it.
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08-22-2017, 10:34 AM
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Wonder why the generals on the Trump train are so intent on keeping and expanding the troops in Afghanistan.
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Fighting our nation's wars is their business?
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08-22-2017, 10:38 AM
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Amazing, we have no money for healthcare yet have $1.4 Trillion to burn in Iraq and now more in Afghanistan.
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For having no money for HC, we're certainly spending a lot on it.
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