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01-08-2013, 09:40 AM
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C4C hurt the poor. It took the cheap cars off the road, and greatly lowered the amount of used parts available. Keeping that old Lincoln running (Bob I won't buy a new car anyway ) I do have reason to see this.
So, subsidize the middle class at the expense of the poor.
And damage the enviroment anyway?
Dave the Dem machine here has kept a pretty nice boot on Cleveland's poor folks necks. As long as the votes come in.
Pete
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01-08-2013, 03:49 PM
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I hate C4C. Middle class benefits at the expense of the poor. And their bs cover was false to boot.
Notice that's a greenie site.
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Don't fret, there will be plenty more dumb-ass ideas coming down the pike from "do-gooders" in this administration.
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01-08-2013, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
C4C hurt the poor. It took the cheap cars off the road, and greatly lowered the amount of used parts available. Keeping that old Lincoln running (Bob I won't buy a new car anyway ) I do have reason to see this.
So, subsidize the middle class at the expense of the poor.
And damage the enviroment anyway?
Dave the Dem machine here has kept a pretty nice boot on Cleveland's poor folks necks. As long as the votes come in.
Pete
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But remember how effectively the concept was sold. Breaking a window is never good economically and anyone with a modicum of knowledge knows it despite what the local glazer may claim.
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01-08-2013, 04:09 PM
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Don't fret, there will be plenty more dumb-ass ideas coming down the pike from "do-gooders" in this administration.
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Terms like "dumb ass" do not become you lol....it makes you lose that civilized libertarian veneer
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01-08-2013, 04:11 PM
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But remember how effectively the concept was sold. Breaking a window is never good economically and anyone with a modicum of knowledge knows it despite what the local glazer may claim.
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Where have you been broken windows have been running this economy since after WW II...have you not heard of built in obsolecence?
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01-08-2013, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
C4C hurt the poor. It took the cheap cars off the road, and greatly lowered the amount of used parts available. Keeping that old Lincoln running (Bob I won't buy a new car anyway ) I do have reason to see this.
So, subsidize the middle class at the expense of the poor.
And damage the enviroment anyway?
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Your argument might have some validity if Cash For Clunkers removed all or most of the affordable used cars from the market, even temporarily. It didn't.
As for used parts, some were generated by the program. Can you establish that the market could have absorbed more?
Did it damage the environment? I don't know. Even if there was some level of pollution generated in the process of recycling the cars, when balanced against the reduction in polluting vehicles on the road, was it still a net negative?
Knee-jerk wingnuttery.
John
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01-08-2013, 04:19 PM
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But remember how effectively the concept was sold. Breaking a window is never good economically and anyone with a modicum of knowledge knows it despite what the local glazer may claim.
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Breaking a window or crashing a car or getting sick or even dying generates economic activity. That's just a fact. Glaziers, body and fender men, doctors and undertakers make money.
And then they spend it.
John
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01-08-2013, 04:39 PM
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But remember how effectively the concept was sold. Breaking a window is never good economically and anyone with a modicum of knowledge knows it despite what the local glazer may claim.
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If energy is escaping through the existing window, and more effective windows are available to more efficiently insulate the house, the old window will likely need to be broken in order to install the new one.
Regards,
D-Ray
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01-08-2013, 05:01 PM
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But remember how effectively the concept was sold. Breaking a window is never good economically and anyone with a modicum of knowledge knows it despite what the local glazer may claim.
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Typical Republican. "Oooooh! Save that old single pane window, we can use it forever and never have to spend money on a new one!"
Then he can't figure out why the local window factory sits empty, no longer creating any jobs. "Must of been something the treehuggers did........ Meh, who cares? Those people had it too good anyways. F**k'em."
I know, a grossly oversimplified scenario. But, really not far off the mark. Stop spending money.....no demand....no jobs. Trust me, no one, no where runs a factory just to fill up warehouses.
Regards,
Dave
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01-09-2013, 06:53 AM
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Speaking of windows, when they did the new roof back in 2009 they also changed the skylight to a low E one. We also changed the patio doors in 2010 to ones with low E glass. It did wonders for the heating and cooling costs.
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