Under the Banner of Heaven. TV series.

[Pio1980]

Krakauer supposedly forces a historical link to violence as a characteristic of the Salt Lake/Brigham Young branch, more a characteristic of some (not all) schizmatic "Fundamentalist" ( read polygamist) break-away groups, typically led by a self-annointed " true prophet" restoration of the "true church". While the Temple Square main group is authoritarian to varying degrees, violence hasn't been characteristic since the Edwardian years if at all. The Church does harbor a quiet historical sense of persecution by Federal central authority and hostile opponents.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Krakauer supposedly forces a historical link to violence as a characteristic of the Salt Lake/Brigham Young branch, more a characteristic of some (not all) schizmatic "Fundamentalist" ( read polygamist) break-away groups, typically led by a self-annointed " true prophet" restoration of the "true church". While the Temple Square main group is authoritarian to varying degrees, violence hasn't been characteristic since the Edwardian years if at all. The Church does harbor a quiet historical sense of persecution by Federal central authority and hostile opponents.

The modern-day LDS church itself was compelled to break-away from original LDS orthodoxy (which correlates to modern-day FLDS ideology) in order to become a US state in 1896. As to LDS sensitivity to their fundamentalist brethren being portrayed by Krakauer's book as violent, one could argue that fundamentalist sects of the Big 3 western religions all have patriarchy, misogyny, sexual abuse, violence and a sense of persecution at their core and are sensitive/defensive when abuses deriving from these attributes come to light.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The modern-day LDS church itself was compelled to break-away from original LDS orthodoxy (which correlates to modern-day FLDS ideology) in order to become a US state in 1896. As to LDS sensitivity to their fundamentalist brethren being portrayed by Krakauer's book as violent, one could argue that fundamentalist sects of the Big 3 western religions all have patriarchy, misogyny, sexual abuse, violence and a sense of persecution at their core and are sensitive/defensive when abuses deriving from these attributes come to light.

The AUB branch, tmbk is an exception. I've been a guest and had dinner with them. The present leader told me over dessert that his mission will be to "put the fun in fundamentalism" as a man of ethical moderation. I've been acquainted with his wife for a few years thru Sunstone historical society and my bro, a Western American and Mormon history expert, tho no longer an active member, a respected historian.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The UAB branch, tmbk is an exception. I've been a guest and had dinner with them. The present leader told me over dessert that his mission will be to "put the fun in fundamentalism" as a man of ethical moderation...

After Lynn A. Thompson assumed leadership of the AUB, he was accused of sexual misconduct by one of his daughters, Rosemary Williams, and shortly thereafter by two of his nieces. Thompson's critics within the AUB also alleged he embezzled up to $500,000 in tithing funds and used official Church accounts for personal expenditures.

Fun for him, less so for others.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by finnbow

After Lynn A. Thompson assumed leadership of the AUB, he was accused of sexual misconduct by one of his daughters, Rosemary Williams, and shortly thereafter by two of his nieces. Thompson's critics within the AUB also alleged he embezzled up to $500,000 in tithing funds and used official Church accounts for personal expenditures.

Fun for him, less so for others.

To be perfectly clear;
Lynn Thompson was worse than an embarrassment to the AUB. Cleaning up after his abuses of authority is going to be a heavy task for his successor.
My contact is thru his replacement, David Watson, an open, decent, ethical responsible individual.
Maryanne Watson, his wife, is who I worked with on a history project presentation.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

My contact is thru his replacement, David Watson, an open, decent, ethical responsible individual...

An open, decent, ethical, responsible polygamist? Who knew?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by finnbow

An open, decent, ethical, responsible polygamist? Who knew?

General perceptions like yours is why I started the thread, my perspective is atypical of both mainstream Mormons and non-members thru a familiarity with the history and culture.
Mormon "fundamentalism" (read poligamy) has a fairly strong argument as a more "pure" theological basis if Joseph Smith is accepted as a true prophet and seer founder and foundation to the faith for the truest of true believers that can square the circle of obedience to the sitting authorities vs obedience to what are considered essential principles as established by the founder. That's the theological attraction to prospective sub-converts, not the prospect of multiple sexual partners, tho the latter can find justification in the former. With people as unique individuals, taking on the requirements and responsibilities of multiple partners and the resulting offspring can be an emotional and financial burden that can easily overwhelm the unprepared participant. Also obvious is the absolute authority this sort of faith gives the leadership, ripe for abuse.
I've already previously mentioned Rulon Allred and Ervil Lebaron as two leaders of different sub-sects with very different styles and attitudes to their positions. Look them up on Wiki.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

The Church does harbor a quiet historical sense of persecution by Federal central authority and hostile opponents.

WACO was pretty well publicized.

Herd them all back in, kill them.

[BigElCat]

This all like a dream, like Dorothy, in the Wizard of Oz.

Steve, I sent you a vacuum tube radio from my uncle's estate because I knew you would appreciate it.

You can text me, I still have the same phone number.

I thought you were a physically large, 70 year old homosexual, Harley Davidson riding guy. Because that's what you presented on Audiokarma.

Thought you had rejected all this Christianity bullshit.

I'm drinking Budweiser again, looking at a Homeland Security drone if I play with my guns outside my house.

Y'all have good night.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

This all like a dream, like Dorothy, in the Wizard of Oz.

Steve, I sent you a vacuum tube radio from my uncle's estate because I knew you would appreciate it.

You can text me, I still have the same phone number.

I thought you were a physically large, 70 year old homosexual, Harley Davidson riding guy. Because that's what you presented on Audiokarma.

Thought you had rejected all this Christianity bullshit.

I'm drinking Budweiser again, looking at a Homeland Security drone if I play with my guns outside my house.

Y'all have good night.

You too, thnx for the radio!

All true enough, except I'm 75 now, lost bulk, downsized to an Indian Scout, and admire Christian ethics but not so much the dogma of necessity. My interest is cultural history of this uniquely American group of sub-sects.
I don't role-play on the internet, way too much work.