Colorado to vote on a single payer medical system this fall

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I see.

So you equate the existence of single payer healthcare systems with the existence of bigfoot and little green men?

I can't argue with logic like that!

I wish California would go for something like what Colorado is proposing. We have both the money (purchasing power), hopefully the will and most importantly, employers wall to wall. And not very many can afford to live here if your don't work, especially in the metropolitan areas like LA, Silicon Valley, SD and Sacramento. So while the people of Colorado are scratching their heads on it, we should go for it. Disclaimer: I do have a vested interest in this since we are continuing to have to increase co-pay to keep our costs manageable.

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I see.

So you equate the existence of single payer healthcare systems with the existence of bigfoot and little green men?

I can't argue with logic like that!

As usual Tom, you misquote and don't read the entire post. You could care less for accuracy and truth. You are what I refer to as a social media puke.

I think you know how to quote in context you just don't. You can't flame a thread if you quote accurately. You are a dam troll.

[Mr. Lin]

Originally Posted by JCricket

If it should pass into law, then to change it or repeal it, here in Colorado, it would take 66% of all of the registered voters to vote and agree to the change. IIRC, a really good voter turnout approaches 40%. We would never, ever, get that many voters to turn out, much less agree on what needs done.

That would make me uneasy too, but personally, if I were in your place I'd be more thrilled than concerned that my state was considering a single-pay system.

Originally Posted by barbara

I hear good things about single payer systems.
In the long run, there are better outcomes with less cost.
Thee are many studies and lots of research and working models that verify that.
And.... If we keep preventative care as the cornerstone of the legislation, we will reap many benefits in years to come.

QFT - especially the part in bold, as preventative care is something that seems to be excluded by the very nature of our private insurance and healthcare system.

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You've never seen one?

They are all over the world except for here.

In fact we have one here too.

Over 50 million Americans are covered by it.

Medicare.

I'm one of those over 50 million and I can attest that it's awesome.

It seems generally well-liked in a variety of forms around the world. I've talked to more than a handful of people from Canada to Australia who like their system and wouldn't exchange it for ours if you put a gun to their head. They typically express a sort of pity for Americans that we're so royally shafted by our so-called "healthcare" system.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lin

It seems generally well-liked in a variety of forms around the world. I've talked to more than a handful of people from Canada to Australia who like their system and wouldn't exchange it for ours if you put a gun to their head. They typically express a sort of pity for Americans that we're so royally shafted by our so-called "healthcare" system.

Actually what we have is a diseasecare system as most plans do not cover preventative medicine.

Yes as one who is still a Canadian as noted in an earlier post I regret that I did not take Florence to Canada she would probably still be alive.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You've never seen one?

They are all over the world except for here.

In fact we have one here too.

Over 50 million Americans are covered by it.

Medicare.

I'm one of those over 50 million and I can attest that it's awesome.

It's hard to find a doctor that accepts it.

One doctor I ran into took it but refuses treatment to those without a secondary.

Its not so awesome when it's not accepted.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by noonereal

It's hard to find a doctor that accepts it.

One doctor I ran into took it but refuses treatment to those without a secondary.

Its not so awesome when it's not accepted.

Medicare not accepted? How do you think hospitals survive?

[nailer]

Originally Posted by icenine

Medicare not accepted? How do you think hospitals survive?

If they don't have a good secondary plan many doctors won't take on Medicare patients. Old fart patients are a major beat down.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by noonereal

It's hard to find a doctor that accepts it.

One doctor I ran into took it but refuses treatment to those without a secondary.

Its not so awesome when it's not accepted.

One reason that it is not accepted is the doctor tries to charge big $$ but Medicare says not so fast that procedure is only worth $.

[barbara]

I hear good things about single payer systems.
In the long run, there are better outcomes with less cost.
Thee are many studies and lots of research and working models that verify that.
And.... If we keep preventative care as the cornerstone of the legislation, we will reap many benefits in years to come.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by barbara

I hear good things about single payer systems.
In the long run, there are better outcomes with less cost.
Thee are many studies and lots of research and working models that verify that.
And.... If we keep preventative care as the cornerstone of the legislation, we will reap many benefits in years to come.

I lived under one before I came down here - it works, it is not soci@list nothing changed except that the government became the sole health insurer. Prescription drugs are about half of what they cost here because the government negotiates with the drug companies. I had access to some of the top professionals.

Last year when the stress of the divorce caused our son to experience atrial fibrillation they put him in the Ottawa Heart Institute - one of the world's best, he was there for ten days, got every test in the book, they found the problem and fixed it. Total cost $0.00.

Who knows if I had puut my wife in the car and driven to Canada she might still be alive.