Krauthammer to Obama - Nice try.

[piece-itpete]

“I’m going to do my part to lead a constructive and civil debate on these issues.”

— Barack Obama, speech on immigration, El Paso, May 10


Constructive and civil debate — like the one Obama initiated just four weeks ago on deficit reduction? The speech in which he accused the Republicans of abandoning families of autistic and Down syndrome kids? The debate in which Obama’s secretary of health and human services said that the Republican Medicare plan would make old folks “die sooner”?

In this same spirit of comity and mutual respect, Obama’s most recent invitation to civil discourse — on immigration — came just 11 minutes after he accused opponents of moving the goal posts on border enforcement. “Maybe they’ll need a moat,” he said sarcastically. “Maybe they want alligators in the moat.”

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The other side plays “politics,” Obama acts in the public interest. Their eyes are on poll numbers, political power, the next election; Obama’s rest fixedly on the little children.

This impugning of motives is an Obama constant. “They” play politics with deficit reduction, with government shutdowns, with health care. And now immigration. It is ironic that such a charge should be made in a speech that is nothing but politics. There is zero chance of any immigration legislation passing Congress in the next two years. El Paso was simply an attempt to gin up the Hispanic vote as part of an openly political two-city, three-event campaign swing in preparation for 2012."

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“The [border] fence is now basically complete,” asserted the president. Complete? There are now 350 miles of pedestrian fencing along the Mexican border. The border is 1,954 miles long. That’s 18 percent. And only one-tenth of that 18 percent is the double and triple fencing that has proved so remarkably effective in, for example, the Yuma sector. Another 299 miles — 15 percent — are vehicle barriers that pedestrians can walk right through. "

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But it's OK, after all, he's a Dem, he must be wonderful...

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Has Krauthammer figured out that Obama is only trying to use the GOPs own tactics against them? Or, have you, for that matter?

Oh, and that stupid fence is a joke. They climb over, dig under, cut through....it's little more than a speed bump, a ridiculous monument to silliness of the people who built it. And how many billions did we pay for that?

A fence, Pete? You really believe it's all that effective? What are we? The Soviet Union? Building walls around ourselves? Please.

Dave

[finnbow]

Further research into the whole fence debate reveals that large sections (for example at Big Bend National Park), a fence is both unnecessary (huge canyons) and unsightly within a national park. There never was a plan (nor should there have been a plan) to enfence the entire border. The whole "close the border first" charade by the GOP is nothing other than demanding the impossible first before imposing sanctions on the business interests employing illegal aliens. If the aliens had no jobs to come to, the border could be wide open without consequence.

Krauthammer simply revealed that the GOP has become the party of whiners, a position that the Dem's once held with distinction. If Obama or someone else throws their shit back at them, they cry foul. BS.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Further research into the whole fence debate reveals that large sections (for example at Big Bend National Park), a fence is both unnecessary (huge canyons) and unsightly within a national park. There never was a plan (nor should there have been a plan) to enfence the entire border. The whole "close the border first" charade by the GOP is nothing other than demanding the impossible first before imposing sanctions on the business interests employing illegal aliens. If the aliens had no jobs to come to, the border could be wide open without consequence.

Krauthammer simply revealed that the GOP has become the party of whiners, a position that the Dem's once held with distinction. If Obama or someone else throws their shit back at them, they cry foul. BS.

+1. Amen, Brother Finn.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

+1. Amen, Brother Finn.

I forgot to mention that a number of small border communities want nothing to do with a fence. Should the big, burly Federal gov't. impose a fence upon them?

[piece-itpete]

So, nobody speaks to the point - that Obama is FOS regarding civil discourse?

Pete

[whell]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So, nobody speaks to the point - that Obama is FOS regarding civil discourse?

Pete

Of course he is. The Dems use words like "uncivil", "mean-spirited", "racist", etc., to deflect legitimate criticism or change the subject. Its part of Obama's playbook. He and his ilk could no more distance themselves from accusing others of uncivil discourse - while being uncivil themselves - any more than Niagra Falls could distance itself from water.

[finnbow]

Constructive and civil debate — like the one Obama initiated just four weeks ago on deficit reduction? The speech in which he accused the Republicans of abandoning families of autistic and Down syndrome kids?

In this same spirit of comity and mutual respect, Obama’s most recent invitation to civil discourse — on immigration — came just 11 minutes after he accused opponents of moving the goal posts on border enforcement. “Maybe they’ll need a moat,” he said sarcastically. “Maybe they want alligators in the moat.”

OK, I'll bite. The first statement is true. The second one is sarcasm, directed at the "complete a 2000 mile fence before sanctioning employers of illegals" crowd.

Both GOP positions deserve ridicule IMHO. And hearing the GOP criticize anyone for doing so is irony/hypocrisy of the highest order.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Both GOP positions deserve ridicule IMHO. And hearing the GOP criticize anyone for doing so is irony/hypocrisy of the highest order.

You were maybe expecting some semblance of intellect?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So, nobody speaks to the point - that Obama is FOS regarding civil discourse?

Pete

The point was spoken to. You are just disappointed that others do not share your (and Krauthammer's) sense of disdain.

Regards,

D-Ray