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Old 07-26-2013, 11:45 AM
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"One of our roles was to shred their national identity. What is happening today is a direct result of the U.S. occupation's strategy. I remember the Iraqi government being setup along ethnic lines by the U.S. occupation. I remember arming certain ethnic groups to fight others. I'll live the rest of my life knowing I was a part of that."

Uh, yeah.

It's a familiar strategy to some of us.

Native-centric eyes? Perhaps.

But, also, it highlights the fallacy of land wars in Asia.

Tribalism is impossible to defeat. The only time it ever subsides is when a common goal large enough to motivate beyond it makes itself evident.

In this case, it was "get the Americans out of our country." (sigh)
It's nice to know we do things like that in the name of "freedom" and "spreading Democracy".........

Must be part of those "Christian values" were always hearing about.

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Old 07-26-2013, 11:49 AM
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When the Iraqis kicked us out they became solely responsible.

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When the Iraqis kicked us out they became solely responsible.

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When we decided to force our way in and "change" them into a Jeffersonian Democracy, we were acting foolishly, led by the Pied Piper of Putzes.

It was a waste of ten years, a trillion bucks and thousands of lives.

People have to want it badly enough to fight for it themselves. That is the ONLY way freedom endures.

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When we decided to force our way in and "change" them into a Jeffersonian Democracy, we were acting foolishly, led by the Pied Piper of Putzes.
And WE are solely responsible.

Prime Directive, people...
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It seems you've forgotten about Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rule. We broke it, but we didn't fix it (as it was too broken to be fixed IMO).
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We would still be there.

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We would still be there.

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If we were to wait for it to be a Jeffersonian democracy, we could be there for a couple of centuries.
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The only way anyone can possibly change the middle east is if the Sunnis and Shia settle their fued. Given they have been at it for 7 centuries I am not holding my breath.
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The only way anyone can possibly change the middle east is if the Sunnis and Shia settle their fued. Given they have been at it for 7 centuries I am not holding my breath.
right you are Sir every conflict going on over there is basically the same war between the Sunnis and Shia
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