Anyone else see the inconsistency?

[merrylander]

The problem is that the church, or a great many of them, does not provide guidance, it is rare indeed to hear Jesus' teachings there.

Since I am not a doctor and since I cannot bear children, I cannot in good faith get between a woman and her doctor. Having grown up in Quebec there was a period where in a delivery if the choice was to save the mother or the child - they saved the child, and left its siblings motherless.

According to the teachings of some churches both of my marriages were invalid (but no one offered to pay for the divorce) since neither of my wives could bear children, and they claim that is the main purpose of marriage.

Regardless, I live this life as if it was the only one I will have, or at least I try to, I can't claim a 100% success rate, but my signature says it all. There were simply too many occurances in our meeting and courtship (over a 500 mile distance in the days before Internet) that something or someone had a hand in it somewhere. Who or what does not really matter because the simple joy of it all is that it happened.

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

'A wise man thinks about death.'

Pete

From When Harry Met Sally

Harry Burns: Oh, really? When I buy a new book, I read the last page first. That way, in case I die before I finish, I know how it ends. That, my friend, is a dark side.

[Oerets]

One can argue every religion started out as a cult. Add to the fact the absurd notion yours is the only true teachings makes views of others open to ridicule and out right hatred.

The Church in question does get funding from the Government but is being treated differently the a non-religious business would be.

Now to the inconsistencies for me it boiled down to the old argument of when life begins. But if allowed this women would of had a good chance of producing a life. Also if this practice was to be main streamed could not the unused eggs be used by others?

I have a tortured complex view on Abortion and the Death Penalty. As most do and on one I will never have need to make the decision the other one would be very hard one to decide.

Back to the life question, I often think a person who eats meat but then never thinks about the life given up for that privilege. One who has lived on a farm and owned pets it is hard for me to think we are the only animals with a sense of consciousness. Yet killing a animal for survival is understood and accept generally. But a women is not allowed the same power over her body.



Barney

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by Oerets

One can argue every religion started out as a cult. Add to the fact the absurd notion yours is the only true teachings makes views of others open to ridicule and out right hatred.

The Church in question does get funding from the Government but is being treated differently the a non-religious business would be.

Now to the inconsistencies for me it boiled down to the old argument of when life begins. But if allowed this women would of had a good chance of producing a life. Also if this practice was to be main streamed could not the unused eggs be used by others?

I have a tortured complex view on Abortion and the Death Penalty. As most do and on one I will never have need to make the decision the other one would be very hard one to decide.

Back to the life question, I often think a person who eats meat but then never thinks about the life given up for that privilege. One who has lived on a farm and owned pets it is hard for me to think we are the only animals with a sense of consciousness. Yet killing a animal for survival is understood and accept generally. But a women is not allowed the same power over her body.



Barney

The woman is still free to undergo in-vitro. She just can't do it and work for that Bishop. That is unless the US Supreme Court changes the rules or the Bishop changes his mind.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by ebacon

The woman is still free to undergo in-vitro. She just can't do it and work for that Bishop. That is unless the US Supreme Court changes the rules or the Bishop changes his mind.

You're okay with that?

"Do whatever you want! It's your body. Just don't bother coming to work tomorrow."

John

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You're okay with that?

"Do whatever you want! It's your body. Just don't bother coming to work tomorrow."

John

It's not work in the normal context. This teacher is a member of the church, no?

If she's not then she might have a case as the church would be hiring her as an employee, not a minister.

[ebacon]

Hmmm.

The teacher might have a case. Her attorney characterized her as a "lay-employee", which is legally different than a "minister".

The other issue here is the teacher worked under contract with the church. AFAIK the church did not fire her. It simply did not renew her contract.

People are allowed to contract with whomever they want, no?

[merrylander]

Msieu Chauvin would be proud.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by ebacon

It's not work in the normal context.

Tell that to her. It sure as hell is a paycheck "in the normal context"!

This teacher is a member of the church, no?

Do we know this?

If she's not then she might have a case as the church would be hiring her as an employee, not a minister.

Whether she's a member of the church or not, it's as an employee that she served as a teacher (not a minister) and it's her services as an employee that were terminated, period. Whether she may or may not be a member of this particular parish or even the church as a whole is utterly irrelevant. The church need relevant grounds for dismissal. They have none.

John

[Oerets]

Not being a Lawyer but it seems to me and it should be noted that I believe Indiana is a "At Will" State.



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This said if the reason for not renewal of the contract is the attempts to get pregnant then she has every right to pursue a case. This Diocese schools treceive funds now with the state allowing tax dollars under a voucher to be used to pay for private schools. Negating the separation of church and state it would seem.




Barney