Language Formality

[ebacon]

This is in the "when you change the language you think in then your thoughts change" department.

I am in the first sentences of learning Italian. One of the first things that hit me is the similarity that Italian has with German when it comes to addressing people: Sie vs. Du. The Italian equivalents escape me at the moment. I am writing off the cuff.

Does English have such a formality? I am from the Mr vs. Dude level of simple vocabulary, but I know that is of different tones.

[donquixote99]

The English 'familiar' second person pronoun is 'thou,' corresponding to the formal (or at least, not-familiar) 'you.' But 'thou' has dropped out of common usage, and now sounds old-fashioned and, ironically, formal.

In English, one now uses 'you' for everyone at all times.

'Dude' of course is very informal, a youth culture word really. Use by older adults can thus actually be an insult, a way of implying someone is low status, like an unproven youth. Or it can be a friendly familiarity. Context is everything.

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The English 'familiar' second person pronoun is 'thou,' corresponding to the formal (or at least, not-familiar) 'you.' But 'thou' has dropped out of common usage, and now sounds old-fashioned and, ironically, formal.

In English, one now uses 'you' for everyone at all times.

You rock.

Thou rocks.

That is the difference. You nailed it. When I am afraid to make a mistake in German I go with Sie and a plural (or feminine case?). Do not know how to say it now.

My friend from Vietnam does the same with me. He uses English plurals excessively.

There is a long history buried in that courtesy.

[HarmanKardon]

ebacon, sir vs. ebacon

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[HarmanKardon]

And why do you learn Italian? This makes no sense. Do you want to understand what Caruso is singing?

Learn Chinese - referring to the forthcoming decades, everybody should do so.

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

And why do you learn Italian? This makes no sense. Do you want to understand what Caruso is singing?

Learn Chinese - referring to the forthcoming decades, everybody should do so.

So many languages, so little time.

Italian interests me because there is a big Italian community in my area. It is a language that was kind of the background sound during my high school years.

What would be really neat is to learn a language that has different written characters than English, such as Russian, Chinese, Japanese, etc. But for me that seems like too big a pursuit for my simple hobby interest.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

And why do you learn Italian? This makes no sense. Do you want to understand what Caruso is singing?

Learn Chinese - referring to the forthcoming decades, everybody should do so.

Ah Chris why not, frex Oh soave fanciulla, o dolce viso di mite circonfuso alba lunar is the opening words of what has to be the worlds greatest love duet.

I will admit that my French is getting rusty as is Florences Japanese but she still speaks Spanish, Potuguese and Italian.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by ebacon

You rock.

Thou rocks.

Or in the old style conjugation, thou rocketh.

[Dondilion]

Spanish

You : Usted - formal
Tu - informal

Similarly Russian

You: Bbi - formal
Tbi - informal

[mystic]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Similarly Russian

You: Bbi - formal
Tbi - informal

вы - pronounced "vuij" (note: letter "j" is jodated)
ты - pronounced "tuij" (same as above)