London Riots

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I can't take credit for saying that the class warfare has already started, but it has, and it's being waged against the working class. The more means the financial elite have to stack the deck, the more they will do it, and the steeper the L-curve will grow.

Gas on the fire man.. Keep up the good work.. I think I heard the same shit just before KrystalNacht in Germany..

And that's all the kids need to excuse their pillaging and looting.. Except that they likely got the class warfare indoctrination from their public school teachers..

Specific indictments counselor.. Name the name(s) of those STEALING from you.. That way you can direct the looters to the appropriate places...

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Gas on the fire man.. Keep up the good work.. I think I heard the same shit just before KrystalNacht in Germany..

And that's all the kids need to excuse their pillaging and looting.. Except that they likely got the class warfare indoctrination from their public school teachers..

Specific indictments counselor.. Name the name(s) of those STEALING from you.. That way you can direct the looters to the appropriate places...

If you look at the income and wealth distribution in this country, one could easily surmise that the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. The question is: Can or should we try to do something about it or is this as it should be?

As long as the working poor and unemployed remain politically marginalized in Appalachia and the inner cities while fed platitudes/propaganda by the GOP and the Dem's respectively, we're OK. As soon as they stop believing it, maybe not. As long as you have the Rednecks thinking it's the shiftless inner city blacks that are the problem and the inner city blacks thinking it's the racist rednecks, cool. If they find out otherwise, not so cool.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If you look at the income and wealth distribution in this country, one could easily surmise that the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. The question is: Can or should we try to do something about it or is this as it should be?

As long as the working poor and unemployed remain politically marginalized in Appalachia and the inner cities while fed platitudes/propaganda by the GOP and the Dem's respectively, we're OK. As soon as they stop believing it, maybe not. As long as you have the Rednecks thinking it's the shiftless inner city blacks that are the problem and the inner city blacks thinking it's the racist rednecks, cool. If they find out otherwise, not so cool.

You mean "Blackie" ain't the one who's keeping me down???

Here's the deal, IMHO.

Anyone who thinks that any of these charlatans who are out there tilting at windmills, slaying at dragons, helping the downtrodden, passing out chickens in pots or acres and mules...or at most talking a good game about it...intend to do anything more than play both sides against the middle while they feather their own nest...is either very unsophisticated about politics at best, or are too stupid to make the connection as worst.

Perhaps I'm being unduly harsh concerning or elected officials.

But even the best of them are going to take care of #1 1st. And the worst of them are only going to take care of #1.

And to be fair to our esteemed leaders, they do have a tough job, and there's only so much that they can do.

But it would be nice if the egotistical bastards could come up with a way of ruling us which didn't result in the periodic call for pitchforks and torches...but human nature as it is, and has been every since the start of time....

Chas

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If you look at the income and wealth distribution in this country, one could easily surmise that the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. The question is: Can or should we try to do something about it or is this as it should be?.

Yeah.. Fix the economy.. Get it out of hostage mode. Fix the public education system so that low expectations are not the norm for "the poor". Preserve the ability of this country to respond to social needs. Reform the political process so that legitimate SOCIALIST or GREEN candidates can represent the specific interests of the "aggreived lesser class"..

But Lord -- cut the crap about Oprah and Starbucks being the problem.. The class warrior strategy is EXACTLY to find a scapegoat for the policies that got us here. Like ROBBING Social Security and poor expectations from foreign nation building, and Congressional abdication of responsibilities..

When I use the words "scapegoat" and talk about KrystalNacht -- you know why I am sensitized to rhetoric that evokes class/cultural hatred. Should be clear why I'm blowing the whistle here.

Originally Posted by finnbow

As long as the working poor and unemployed remain politically marginalized in Appalachia and the inner cities while fed platitudes/propaganda by the GOP and the Dem's respectively, we're OK. As soon as they stop believing it, maybe not. As long as you have the Rednecks thinking it's the shiftless inner city blacks that are the problem and the inner city blacks thinking it's the racist rednecks, cool. If they find out otherwise, not so cool.

Slicing and dicing like that doesn't give an accurate picture FinnBow. There is a LOT of support from Appalachia for NOT HAVING a class war. What they want is less interference in their personal economic affairs from the Feds. And CONSEQUENCES for mis-spending their money on bailouts and ill-conceived neo-NewDeal nonsense. These would be exactly the Rednecks who you presume are the other antagonist here. But it's not them against the southside of Chicago. The ObamaLeft WANTS it to be clearly class driven, but it's not. In class war rhetoric -- the justification (as clearly given by D-Ray) is that "the rich" started it. And the opportunities in America for more than 1/2 the population are fading BECAUSE "the rich" are purposely blocking them. Could be partly true (as any good Goerbels type propaganda is) if you exclude entertainers, sports figures, lottery winners, authors, legit patent holders, doctors, successful lawyers, electronic product design consultants () ect, ect.. So AT LEAST --- if we're going to egg on a war as Obama is obviously fixated on -- you should possess the wisdom to have the party faithful paint the BIG "J" or star on the shoppes you want the agitated mobs to burn and loot..

[Charles]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Gas on the fire man.. Keep up the good work.. I think I heard the same shit just before KrystalNacht in Germany..

And that's all the kids need to excuse their pillaging and looting.. Except that they likely got the class warfare indoctrination from their public school teachers..

Specific indictments counselor.. Name the name(s) of those STEALING from you.. That way you can direct the looters to the appropriate places...

Come on now, those ignorant rubes are only sticking it to the MAN!!!

That's cool baby, unless you're the poor man who happened to be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now if they were actually getting to the REAL MAN, kicking his ass and leaving him lying buck assed naked in the street, I would be a little more sympathetic.

But they're not.

And that one fool could loose the plastic ducky water wing thing...don't know what kind of message he's trying to send...but he's overmodulating.

Chas

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by Charles

Come on now, those ignorant rubes are only sticking it to the MAN!!!

That's cool baby, unless you're the poor man who happened to be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now if they were actually getting to the REAL MAN, kicking his ass and leaving him lying buck assed naked in the street, I would be a little more sympathetic.

But they're not.

And that one fool could loose the plastic ducky water wing thing...don't know what kind of message he's trying to send...but he's overmodulating.

Chas

The plastic ducky water wing thing BELONGS to him now. It fixes all those years of slavery he had to endure under the Capitalist pigs in charge. Just like the liquor those girls doing the interview are consuming. When morning comes and they've lived "the good life" -- they will learn that the big screen TV and the liquor nor the Ducky really fixes their problem. But "the rich" will have been properly warned..

Anarchists are the first to respond to this kind of conflict. Because it's their mantra that stuff is there for the taking. But if you have top officials telling the public that their problems are ALL due to "the millionaires and billionaires" then pretty soon -- you are recruiting directly into the anarchist ranks.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

"We're here to show the RICH PEOPLE what we want" Take a good look at the results of seeding class warfare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBWs302fb0o

This is what Obama wants obviously.. Since he can't speak on a topic without villifying "millionaires and billionaires" ten or twenty times. And here is the community he HOPES to organize so that socialist dreams can be fulfilled...

Somethings gonna burn...

Got some strange ducks across the pond.

Just hope I never look out my window and see something like that...or worse.

Chas

[flacaltenn]

Really -- Don't you think the 14 references a week that our Prez makes to "millionaires and billionaires" not contributing to taxes is an attempt to scapegoat a convienient faction? You don't think the class war serves as a great inspiration and distraction from the sordid long list of failures that our leaders have committed us to?

What WAS the angle of propaganda used against the Jews as the Nazi party came to power? It was simple economics. They were cheating you. They had control of all your goods and services. And that as group, they rewarded their own and cheated the gentiles. The Jews were that great Middle Class segment that didn't share...

I hear it quite clearly everytime the class war is evoked. Maybe it's like my black brother/sister who are more finely tuned to hearing racist slurs than I am..

Of course, all that was BEFORE the power was theirs to actually prosecute an effective solution. And then the rhetoric didn't have to be as sophisticated or refined.

I'm really not focused on accounting for wealth gaps. The rich just lost $1Tril yesterday. Does THAT show in your article? I'm more focused on trying to save the miraculous system that provided success and prosperity for this country for the past 220 years or so.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Really -- Don't you think the 14 references a week that our Prez makes to "millionaires and billionaires" not contributing to taxes is an attempt to scapegoat a convienient faction? You don't think the class war serves as a great inspiration and distraction from the sordid long list of failures that our leaders have committed us to?

Perhaps so, but in the annals of obnoxious political rhetoric, I find it pretty tame. He's trying to garner support for enhanced revenue (oops, make that taxes - I slipped into the less offensive euphemism) from the folks who can seemingly afford it (if the disparity article I linked to above is true, and I think it is). Smoke these stats over for a bit. You may find Obama's rhetoric distasteful, but he seemingly has the facts on his side (truth hurts, eh?)

Most dispassionate observers seem to believe that additional revenue is needed to balance the equation and he's doing rhetorical battle with Grover Norquist, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the Teabaggers (and the GOP who they control) who think cutting the smallest subsidy is tantamount to treason. Desperate times call for desperate measures (or rhetoric, at least).

[flacaltenn]

Matter of fact Finnbow: I'm gonna double down on the analogy -- after a wonderful evening stroll with the dogs..

The perfect strategy of Kristalnacht was that when the Aryan Germans had to roll those wheelbarrows full of worthless Marks up to the Juden guy for a 1lb of steak tartare, that the message of KristalNacht would be clear..

1) That average Aryan Germans were entirely blameless for the worthless money or the financial conditions of their country. THEY need not sacrifice and suffer any more.

2) That is was solely the greed of those Juden shopkeepers to blame for not being fully vested in contributions to fixing the public problems and circulating their wealth within the confines of their "race".

3) KristalNacht was the brilliant re-direction of public anger away from the govt and cast onto a more than convienient scapegoat.

4) They would not hesitate to add German trading partners as additional targets of scorn and redirection of anger.

Who wants to take over a tainted govt? You need POWER to fix the kind of problems that Germany was experiencing in the 30's. Just like the power that FDR extracted by playing the class card here.

Those are some mighty clear parallels to the one single Democrat answer to ALL of our problems today vis a vis "the rich" -- isn't there? When someone tells you that ANY 2% of population is responsible for the entire decline of a country -- watch out..