Another Mass Shooting in the Good Ol' USA

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

The rate in El Salvador is 400 Fucking Times higher than the UK.

They move here because it's peaceful.

Maybe y'all should move.

Is that the new excuse? "Well, were not as bad as El Salvador ".

[piece-itpete]

What legislation would have stopped this shooting?

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What legislation would have stopped this shooting?

A ban on gun ownership by civilians.

Well you asked.

[RickeyM]

Further details revealed that police waited outside the school for forty minutes or more before entering the building despite pleas from onlookers outside.

Desperate onlookers urged police to charge into the school where their children were trapped. Instead, police massed outside the building for 40 minutes and waited.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth-grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police officers massed outside the building.

Upset that the police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

Once inside it seems police were stymied by a locked door.

Meanwhile, a law-enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What legislation would have stopped this shooting?

An answer in the specific is difficult to impossible for a determined assailant.
Maybe a better question would be,
"What legislation could impede mass shootings like these?"

[Pio1980]

Fwiw;
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...pend-rcna30557

Meanwhile, passing draconian abortion prohibition is not a problem for "pro-life" hypocrites.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

The rate in El Salvador is 400 Fucking Times higher than the UK.

They move here because it's peaceful.

Maybe y'all should move.

Love it or leave, eh Spiro???

Maybe, we will move. The blonde has dual US/Ireland citizenship. So when it gets bad enough in this shithole...and we aren't quite there yet...we will possibly utilize it. Thinking Dublin (she has 40 or 50 first cousins in Ireland) Copenhagen, or Amsterdam, or perhaps even Malmo, Sweden...I have a half-brother there.

Meantime...we are all aware that there are more dangerous places to live than US cities like Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore or Gary. Third world countries with cities like Juarez, Kabul, Port Moresby, and yes, San Salvador come immediately to mind. Maybe you and I could have a little chat about just how the interference by this country in the government of El Salvador was the cause of the problems that still exist in El Salvador.

But the discussion of comparative firearms homicide rates, has always been amongst first world countries...y'know countries like the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, and the Scandinavian countries to name a few. Democracies...not dictatorships.

It's the Trumpers like you who always want to compare apples with oranges...it's why you always end up sounding so fucking stupid.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What legislation would have stopped this shooting?

Legislation like that passed in the UK in 1996 after the first, and only, mass school shooting there...the Dunblane massacre in Dunblane, Scotland. Within a year, the UK passed laws outlawing public ownership of all guns outside of long barreled non-automatic loading hunting rifles and shotguns. Of course, the firearms homicide rate in the UK was never anything like we have here, pete. But right now, 25 years since Dunblane, the firearms murder rate here has exploded to forty times the rate in the UK. Forty fucking times.

And in Sweden it's most interesting. No handguns, no assault weapons only hunting rifles. Hunting is very popular in Sweden and the Swede's have accepted the extreme requirements and regulations that must be met and adhered to in order to qualify to own a hunting rifle and keep your hunting rifle. It takes a long time, it's expensive, and you are required to re-file for your firearms license yearly and pay the stiff fee for the license. And what happens if you don't re-apply and pay the license fee? The cops come to your house and confiscate your guns. You fill out the paperwork and pay the fee and you get your guns back. If you don't re-file and pay within the prescribed period of time. the confiscation becomes permanent.

That sort of legislation, pete.

One last thing, pete. In 2020 for the first time, gunshot became the most common cause of death in American children. Death by fucking gunshot. More than vehicular accidents, more than drownings, more than illness or disease...GUNSHOT. Despicable and among first world nations of course...ONLY IN AMERICA.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Love it or leave, eh Spiro???

Maybe, we will move. The blonde has dual US/Ireland citizenship. So when it gets bad enough in this shithole...and we aren't quite there yet...we will possibly utilize it. Thinking Dublin (she has 40 or 50 first cousins in Ireland) Copenhagen, or Amsterdam, or perhaps even Malmo, Sweden...I have a half-brother there.

Meantime...we are all aware that there are more dangerous places to live than US cities like Detroit, Birmingham, Baltimore or Gary. Third world countries with cities like Juarez, Kabul, Port Moresby, and yes, San Salvador come immediately to mind. Maybe you and I could have a little chat about just how the interference by this country in the government of El Salvador was the cause of the problems that still exist in El Salvador.

But the discussion of comparative firearms homicide rates, has always been amongst first world countries...y'know countries like the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, and the Scandinavian countries to name a few. Democracies...not dictatorships.

It's the Trumpers like you who always want to compare apples with oranges...it's why you always end up sounding so fucking stupid.

If I'm such a simple man, it seems like you could keep track of what I post on this forum. I'm no where close to being a Trumper.

The comparative rates I mentioned came from the link YOU provided, I didn't realize the discussion had somehow been limited to first world countries only.

In fact it wasn't until now. Your significant other, "The Blonde", probably doesn't stand much of a chance talking back to you.

We don't need more legislative control in the country, IMHO. Relying on the authorities upstairs is what kept police sitting outside the school for an hour while some asshole went around shooting those children.

The people 'at the top' are not good people.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What legislation would have stopped this shooting?

Since you've chosen to get so specific:
1. Raise purchase age to 21 (he was 18 as was the kid in Buffalo).
2. Red flag law (he showed self-destructive and violent signs like self-mutilation).
3. Forbid autoloading firearms and limit magazine capacity to 5 rounds (federal law already restricts magazine capacity to 3 rounds to hunt migratory game birds (ducks, geese, doves and they're harder to hit than humans)).
4. In keeping with strict conservative constitutional originalism, restrict unlimited firearms access to flintlocks only (I'm joking here, but conservatives always insist adamantly upon originalism).